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jonp888 3 hours ago

For many years the Spanish state-owned company RENFE had a monopoly on Spain's huge high speed rail network. However their high prices, inconvenient schedules and poor customer service were often criticized, and so when, to the annoyance of RENFE and many spanish politicians, additional foreign operators entered the market on the key Madrid - Barcelona route, ridership doubled whilst ticket prices halved.

So I would standby for this tragedy to be used for political purposes to try and get foreign operators banned from Spanish tracks, regardless of the facts of the matter.

diegocg 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Foreign operators are mandated by the EU, they can't be banned. Spain has been one of the first countries to allow foreign high speed operators (unlike other European countries that did attempt to delay their entrance as much as possible

arielcostas 2 hours ago | parent [-]

France, for example, has been trying to delay allowing Renfe (Spanish operator) to operate through the country as much as possible, while their public operator SNCF (branded as Ouigo) has been able to operate here since 2021.

elnatro 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unless there is evidence that the accident was caused by the Iryo train, I wouldn’t be so fast to blame the private companies on a decaying infrastructure.

There are plenty of cases of lack of maintenance in the railway network.

Xenoamorphous 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> Unless there is evidence that the accident was caused by the Iryo train

I'd say the same about the railway network. We don't know what happened yet.

elnatro 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

The railway network has been mismanaged and plagued with incidents for years. See it for yourself: ADIF was aware that there were issues in Adamuz for months[1].

[1]: https://www.elespanol.com/reportajes/20260119/adif-notifico-...

Xenoamorphous 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

That doesn't mean we know for sure it was that, don't you think? Your comments seem very politically motivated, and you're asking others to not blame it on the train as the reasons for the accident are still unknown and at the same time you're pushing the maintenance issues narrative.

elnatro 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

I am nos asking anything. You can think what you want. What the data that we have right now tells us is: new train built in 2022, checked 4 days ago[1], and issues on that part of the railway track for months[2].

[1]: https://elpais.com/espana/2026-01-19/el-fabricante-hitachi-r...

[2]: https://www.elespanol.com/reportajes/20260119/adif-notifico-...

locknitpicker 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> So I would standby for this tragedy to be used for political purposes

This is an ignorant opinion. For multiple reasons.

Derailing under these circumstances is a track issue, which means ADIF, the state's infrastructure maintainer, is under suspicion. Not operators, the state's infrastructure maintainer.

Liberalization of the railway sector is an EU-wide mandate. It's not some whimsical slip of a single country's leadership.

Years ago there was an AVE derailment in Santiago de Compostela. No one banned RENFE from the lines.

elnatro an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The machinists complained for years about the curve of Angrois[1][2], and indeed no security assessment was done on the curve[3]. The government during that time (of the same party than this one) did nothing.

11 years later, the machinist was charged with unwilling homicide and sentenced to 2 years in prison, and the ex-chief of security sentenced to 2 years of prison as well[4].

[1] https://www.elmundo.es/espana/2018/07/24/5b570dadca4741b1698...

[2]: https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/galicia/2022/11/22/enf...

[3]: https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/noticia/galicia/2022/11/30/cur...

[4]: https://www.elcorreogallego.es/santiago/2024/12/25/ano-sente...

severino 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

> The government during that time (of the same party than this one) did nothing.

It looks like you're quite interested in pointing out that the culprit of this 2013 accident was the same party which is now in office, but even if we take a look at your sources, it says something different:

"Las víctimas creen que hubo cuatro decisiones críticas. Primero, el cambio de proyecto original realizado por Blanco, que suprimió el sistema de seguridad ERTMS en la vía justo antes de Angrois. Segundo, la decisión del ministerio de Ana Pastor de desconectar el sistema embarcado en el Alvia, desactivando una medida técnica que habría ayudado a mitigar el riesgo de un error humano como el que tuvo el maquinista. La tercera decisión fue ignorar un aviso por escrito de un jefe de maquinistas advirtiendo del riesgo en la curva de Angrois. La cuarta, que Adif y Renfe permitieron poner en servicio la línea sin haber realizado el análisis y evaluación de riesgos que exigía la normativa."

There we can read that not only the former minister Blanco (socialist) was to blame according to the demonstrators, but also Ana Pastor (conservative) whose party was in charge when the accident happened.

ThePowerOfFuet 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

>Derailing under these circumstances is a track issue, which means ADIF, the state's infrastructure maintainer, is under suspicion.

This is the most likely outcome, but it is not as cut-and-dried as you are presenting it.

It could be a broken rail weld, it could be track sabotage, it could be a broken wheel or bogie... we don't know yet.