| ▲ | f311a 11 hours ago |
| > The use of em-dashes, which on most keyboard require a special key-combination that most people don’t know Most people probably don't know, but I think on HN at least half of the users know how to do it. It sucks to do this on Windows, but at least on Mac it's super easy and the shortcut makes perfect sense. |
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| ▲ | chao- 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't have strong negative feelings about the era of LLM writing, but I resent that it has taken the em-dash from me. I have long used them as a strong disjunctive pause, stronger than a semicolon. I have gone back to semicolons after many instances of my comments or writing being dismissed as AI. I will still sometimes use a pair of them for an abrupt appositive that stands out more than commas, as this seems to trigger people's AI radar less? |
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| ▲ | kelseydh 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | One way to use em-dash and look human is to write it incorrectly with two hyphens: -- | |
| ▲ | JKCalhoun 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I still use 'em. Fuck what everybody else thinks. | |
| ▲ | myself248 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | At this point I almost look forward to some idiot calling me AI because they don't like what I said. I should start keeping score. | |
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| ▲ | rsch 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I can’t be the only one who has ever read https://practicaltypography.com/hyphens-and-dashes.html |
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| ▲ | kelseydh 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | This would have been very helpful three years ago, before I permanently stopped using em-dashes to not have my writing confused with LLM's. | | |
| ▲ | JKCalhoun 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I suspect whatever you try to do to not appear to be an LLM… LLM's also will do in time. Might as well be yourself. |
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| ▲ | numpad0 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've been left wondering when is the world going to find out about Input Method Editor. It lets users type all sorts of ‡s, (*´ڡ`●)s, 2026/01/19s, by name, on Windows, Mac, Linux, through pc101, standard dvorak, your custom qmk config, anywhere without much prior knowledge. All it takes is to have a little proto-AI that can range from floppy sizes to at most few hundred MBs in size, rewriting your input somewhere between the physical keyboard and text input API. If I wanted em–dashes, I can do just that instantly – I'm on Windows and I don't know what are the key combinations. Doesn't matter. I say "emdash" and here be an em-dash. There should be the equivalent to this thing for everybody. |
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| ▲ | d4rkp4ttern 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| First time I’m hearing about a shortcut for this. I always use 2 hyphens. Is that not considered an em-dash ? |
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| ▲ | keyle 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No it's not the same. Note there are medium and long as well. That said I always use -- myself. I don't think about pressing some keyboard combo to emphasise a point. | | | |
| ▲ | FridayoLeary 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You are absolutely right — most internet users don't know the specific keyboard combination to make an em dash and substitute it with two hyphens. On some websites it is automatically converted into an em dash. If you would like to know more about this important punctuation symbol and it's significance in identitifying ai writing, please let me know. | | |
| ▲ | d4rkp4ttern 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Wow thanks for the enlightenment. I dug into this a bit and found out: Hyphen (-) — the one on your keyboard. For compound words like “well-known.” En dash (–) — medium length, for ranges like 2020–2024. Mac: Option + hyphen. Windows: Alt + 0150. Em dash (—) — the long one, for breaks in thought. Mac: Option + Shift + hyphen. Windows: Alt + 0151. And now I also understand why having plenty of actual em-dashes (not double hyphens) is an “AI tell”. | | |
| ▲ | wincy 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And Em Dash is trivially easy on iOS — you simply hold press on the regular dash button - I’ve been using it for years and am not stopping because people might suddenly accuse me of being an AI. | |
| ▲ | FridayoLeary 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Thanks for that. I had no idea either. I'm genuinely surprised Windows buries such a crucial thing like this. Or why they even bothered adding it in the first place when it's so complicated. | | |
| ▲ | jsheard 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The Windows version is an escape hatch for keying in any arbitrary character code, hence why it's so convoluted. You need to know which code you're after. | |
| ▲ | semilin 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To be fair, the alt-input is a generalized system for inputting Unicode characters outside the set keyboard layout. So it's not like they added this input specifically. Still, the em dash really should have an easier input method given how crucial a symbol it is. | | |
| ▲ | kevin_thibedeau 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's a generalized system for entering code page glyphs that was extended to support Unicode. 0150 and 0151 only work if you are on CP1252 as those aren't the Unicode code points. |
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| ▲ | tverbeure 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Thanks for delving into this key insight! |
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| ▲ | bakugo 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Now I'm actually curious to see statistics regarding the usage of em-dashes on HN before and after AI took over. The data is public, right? I'd do it myself, but unfortunately I'm lazy. |
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