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Aurornis 2 hours ago

> The new business line will cost about $2M in software dev, and $3M for the new facility. The advertising budget? $40,000,000 (annual).

The reason the advertising budget is such a high number and a recurring charge is that effective advertising returns an ROI on each dollar spent.

If the software budget was increased 10X to $20 million, would the company get 10X as many customers? No.

What about the facility? If you 10X the facility budget to $30 million would you get 10X as many customers? No.

However, advertising is a customer acquisition activity. Every dollar you spend on advertising provides additional customers. This is saturable, but the ceiling is very high. Much higher than spending on software or facilities.

The reason your ad budget isn’t so high isn’t because Google and Meta invented the discoverability and distribution problems or basic economics. It’s because it has been determined that acquiring new customers via advertising has a high ROI and therefore it’s a smart move to pour as much money as possible into customer acquisition.

If every $1 you spend on advertising produces $2 in customer LTV then your company should be maximizing ad spend until evidence of saturation starts appearing.

This commonly frustrates engineers who think it’s a wasted investment. The question is: Compared to what? If you could have the same number of customers and same amount of revenue without advertising then you should do that! However, you can’t. This isn’t a licensing fee that’s being paid. It’s putting money into a machine that returns more dollars back than you put into it.

_factor 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I doubt the ROI would be so high if organic results stood any chance.

The ROI on bribes is very high too, but we haven’t legalized those (officially).

Aurornis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> I doubt the ROI would be so high if organic results stood any chance.

This is just the same fallacy. In what world are people going to organically share ads for this company on their Facebook feeds? Who is going to Google the company name before they know about it?

Every business needs to proactively acquire customers.

Distribution and CAC are top of mind values for any growth business. It has been this way long before Google and Meta existed. Digital advertising actually makes it cheaper and easier than ever to acquire customers at scale.

dwaltrip 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Information can travel without people paying for it do so.

Ban most ads and everything will still work fine.

gruez an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Sounds like ads will just get replaced with covert word of mouth enticements. Want to get people to know about your product? Send free samples to influencers. Maybe even fly them out to CES and put them in nice hotels so they can experience your product announcements/demos. All of this is "unpaid", of course.

fenwick67 an hour ago | parent [-]

this already happens

mjevans 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I would prefer a world that returned to the older '30 second blip (for the only) sponsor of the program' ad, which also seemed to be of the limited form: Here's Product X, it does Y, which makes your life better because Z. Informative, dry, stated by an announcer in a calm and not demanding way.

WheatMillington 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had this exact epiphany when I ran a side business selling niche widgets. Every dollar I spent on Facebook ads returned me $5 in revenue (at 40% margin) and it wasn't obvious how much I could spend before that stopped being true.

pepinator 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

it surprises me how many people simply don't get the point. they say "they make more money this way, so it's ok". no big picture at all.

hansvm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That misses the point though. Google and Meta have designed systems which capture nearly the entire surplus. In a non-monopolistic environment you'd expect somebody to be willing to step in at a bit less than Google's rates and offer the same outcomes.

Aurornis 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The parent comment did a sneaky thing and gave the advertising budget then pivoted into rants about Google and Meta. They never actually said “All of this money goes to Google and Meta”. It was just expected that on HN everyone would assume as much because that’s what everyone is familiar with.

In the pharmaceutical industry, I can guarantee their advertising funnel is much wider than two social media platforms. Think about all the places you see pharmaceutical ads: TV, billboards, even ads on buses, that sketchy doctor’s office full of company swag. That $40 million is not going all to Google and Meta even if the GP comment tried to imply it was.

techpression 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is very correct, the only thing I as an engineer care about is that we rigorously optimize our spend to get the best possible CAC (Customer Acquisition Cost) It’s an incredibly hard problem and has many variables, that’s why the platforms charge what they do, they allow you to work with these variables in a somewhat approachable way.