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dijit 7 hours ago

It always impresses me how its actually easy not to need these banners yet everyone will consistently participate in the civil disobedience of annoying their users. No doubt in the hope of making people mad at the EU.

To the point that people are worried when cookie banners are not required now. I have had a few worried conversations on why our site doesn’t have a cookie banner.

The answer is simple, we don’t track our users, and login is explicit consent and functionality which doesn’t require a prompt under GDPR.

IMTDb 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If it's that easy to not need the banners, I'd expect EU websites themselves to lead the "no cookies needed" movement.

Yet https://european-union.europa.eu displays a cookie banner for tracking on what is essentially a static informational site. If the EU itself feels tracking is valuable enough to warrant the banner on their own pages, it's hard to fault businesses (whose survival actually depends on understanding their audience) for making the same choice.

At least they're compliant with their own regulation, I suppose.

dijit 5 hours ago | parent [-]

You’re not wrong.

The EU websites require the cookie consent due to this section of the cookie policy:

> Third-party providers on Commission websites

* YouTube

* Internet Archive

* ScribbleLive

* Google Maps

* Twitter

* TV1

* Vimeo

* Microsoft

* Facebook

* Google

* LinkedIn

* Livestream

* SoundCloud

* European Parliament

These third-party services are outside of the control of the European Commission. Providers may, at any time, change their terms of service, purpose and use of cookies, etc.

——

In other words, due the embeds that track users, consent is needed.

They also have their own analytics in the same section, by the letter of the rules: they indeed need explicit consent, which would be obviated if they didn’t run analytics and didn’t embed stuff.

jampekka 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Option a) don't use those embeds

Option b) ask the consent in the embed.

Analytics can be done without banner requiring tracking, e.g. https://plausible.io/

jampekka 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's really enraging. Even EU's official sites use the banners, and probably for sites where they wouldn't (or at least shouldn't) even be needed.

It seems that very few, even lawyers, really understand when explicit consent is not needed, and instead we get cargo culting of pointless consent banners everywhere.

The situation has become such that "consents" aren't really meaningful at all, as people just want to get rid of the banner, and it becomes US style contract theatre.

HPsquared 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You need a "no cookies here" banner.

pocketarc 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I've seen that in a few places, yeah! I think I personally would just put something in the footer and have a specific page for it that I can link people to.

I really hope that I never end up in a situation where someone tells me "well the conversion rate would be much higher if you just stopped fighting it and put up the damn banner".

psychoslave 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Same with https actually. I still reach some home made website or paper published in this or that legit small university or department without a certificate. Most browser send messages like this is a life threatening move.