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publicdebates 4 hours ago

Sure, but what about the people who don't do this? Those who sit at home all day, scrolling away, drinking themselves to death, wondering why life is so lonely.

The only time you ever see such people is when they're walking to the grocery store. How do you reach out to them to let them know about these ideas or encourage them to try it? Especially when they're filled with discouraging thoughts?

What if all they need is one single person to say hi? How can I find them, reach them? This is what I'm asking.

dfabulich an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I've reviewed this and your other comments on the thread, and I think you're making a mistake, believing that to solve the loneliness epidemic, you primarily need to "reach people."

As long as leaving the house and making real contact is harder (requires more self discipline) than staying in and scrolling, all you can do is project a message to folks at home, like "hi, you're not alone in feeling lonely," but you haven't solved the fundamental problem: it's harder to do the right thing than it is to do the wrong thing.

To solve the loneliness epidemic, you have to make the right thing easier than the wrong thing. "Reaching out" to more people will not accomplish that. Elsewhere in this thread, you've rejected the idea of pursuing a public policy, but policy is the only answer anyone's provided in this thread that could make that happen.

(Now, it turns out that you'll have to do a lot of outreach to make a public policy happen, but you'll be asking for their vote, not a regular commitment to show up weekly at a club; outreach is the right approach to that problem.)

luplex 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We need the Tiktoks of the world to realize their responsibility: users get addicted to the apps in order to numb their feelings of loneliness. So we'd need an intervention within these apps that makes them unbearable for the lonely, combined with a healthier way to engage with loneliness.

Imagine TikTok asking you "you've scrolled for 30 minutes. You might be in a loneliness spiral. Write down the name of someone you would like to be closer to."

publicdebates 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

TikTok does in fact remind you, quite often, that you've been scrolling for a while, and suggests taking a break. Last year, for most of each day, I would just ignore this and keep scrolling. I'd see it so many times each day. That wouldn't change if they added a suggestion like writing a name down. I'd still ignore it, and I think most people in the same situation would too. But when I was at the store, or walking to the store, that's when someone could have found a way in, and been able to get me to make a connection and open up.

SchemaLoad an hour ago | parent [-]

Sure, in the same way gambling companies tell you to "Gamble responsibly" at the end of their advert to get you to gamble more.

Imo short form video with infinite scrolling is straight up poison and it's impossible to resolve without just completely destroying it.

randysalami 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Or hear me out, puts you in video call with someone watching the same short as you. Involuntary friend

publicdebates 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Omegle + TikTok sounds like a very bad idea.

chasd00 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What if all they need is one single person to say hi?

Then say 'hi'. By definition they're not going to seek you out nor are they going to be findable so you're only option is to say hi to everyone and hope one sticks.

edit: heh i hope you're not talking about me, i walk to the grocery store regularly by myself. It's how a take a break from work and get some exercise. i'm fine :)

publicdebates 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That's my point. How can I tell the difference?

One of my ideas was legitimately to just hold a giant sign that just says "hi"

I had this idea a few months ago, but never wanted to waste a whole Sunday on it. Maybe I should.

andyclap2 3 hours ago | parent [-]

To me that seems like not saying hi, rather a device to shift the risk of engaging off of you. Don't be scared. Just say a few banal words to people you don't know every day and gauge their reaction, start a conversation if you like and they seem to be up for it.

cindyllm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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ecshafer 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You just have to become the most friendly ultimate host in the world. Start up random conversations with those people at the grocery store or on the street and invite them to your bbq you are having this weekend.

But ultimately, if a man is sitting in his kitchen and its on fire. Its up to him to run out. No amount of reaching out will help until he decides to make the change.