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bahmboo 6 hours ago

Nice that instead of completely cutting you off at the cap they put it in super slow 500 kbits. That is actually usable and used to be the fastest speed you could get at home.

vidarh 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My first company was an ISP, and our selling point was that we had higher bandwith out of Norway than any competitors in our price range.... A whopping 512kps.

reactordev 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Mmmmm ISDN copper…

barbazoo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

If I remember right we could get 64kb/s or 128kb/s if you bundled them, that was in Germany. But also, we didn't have that, we only had a 56kb/s modem and I remember really wanting ISDN when I was a kid :)

vardump 3 hours ago | parent [-]

ISDN (IDSL) was max 144 kbit/s. Two 64 kbit/s channels and one 16 kbit/s control channel all bundled together.

reactordev 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Or four bonded twin-64kbit channels with a multiplexer. Ahhh, high school…

sib 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The first modem that I owned was 1200 baud. The first one that I used was 110 and it was exciting when it was upgraded to 300. It took ~20 years from when I first got online until my home internet reached 512kbps.

hinkley 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I bought a cheap 1200 and then once I had use for it I saved up for a USR 14.4 with a shiny extruded aluminum case. At one point I was sharing that with two roommates using SLIP and surplussed Cisco coaxial NICs.

jcims 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Still with pretty low latency (25-35ms) as well (similar to the Standby (aka pause) state you can put the account into for $5/mo)

SkyPuncher 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's faster than my cell phone in the areas where I desperately need Starlink....500kb > 0

TN1ck 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Be aware that it is bits, so 62.5kb. But I agree, the internet is still usable with that.

happyopossum 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Be aware that it is bits, so 62.5kb

Ok, I’m not normally one to be the pedantic bits/bytes guy, but if you’re gonna go and make a bit/byte “clarification” you need to get the annotation correct or you'll just confuse everyone.

It’s 500kb (small b for bits) and 62.5kB(capital/big B for bytes).

umanwizard 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Shouldn’t it actually be KB or even KiB?

BuildTheRobots 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If we're playing actually, then it's a speed not a quota, so whatever the correct value it should be suffixed with "per second".

umanwizard an hour ago | parent [-]

Good point!

vardump 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

K is for Kelvin, so probably not. kB or KiB, depending on intent.

mlyle 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People always use bits for connectivity. 62.5kB/sec -- maybe really 55-60kB/sec downloaded. Or 18 seconds to get a megabyte.

This is simultaneously fast (on my 14400 bps modem that I spent the most time "waiting for downloading", I was used to 12-13 minutes per megabyte vs. 18 seconds here) and slow (the google homepage is >1MB, so until you have resources cached you're waiting tens of seconds).

It would be nice if everything were just a touch more efficient.

volemo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Is Google homepage consisting of a text input field and like ten buttons really over a megabyte? Damn.

mlyle 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I end up transferring 940kB (with a lot of blocking cranked up). Typing "hello" in the search bar takes it up to 1MB. Then the first page of search results is another 1.3MB.

Now, I assume all of this would start working before it's all transferred. But we're still talking about tens of seconds of transfer at 500kbit/sec.

(And Google at least acts like they care about bandwidth a little. So many 15megabyte pages out there...)

NitpickLawyer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the internet is still usable with that.

We lived for years on 56kbps, granted the Internet was different back then, but we'd still "use" it, download stuff, etc.

wat10000 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Unfortunately, the 56kbps internet was a lot more usable. I've been on 256kbps cellular connections (T-Mobile free international roaming) and it works, but it's pretty bad. Everything takes way more data these days, and nobody thinks about slow connections when writing software so there are a ton of overly aggressive timeouts and bad UI that assume operations won't take more than few seconds.

namanyayg 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've never heard bandwidth being expressed in bytes. But if we're being pedantic then I'd like to throw my hat in and call it 62.5kB.

Or even better, 62.5KiB (for kibibyte)

volemo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Or even better, 62.5KiB (for kibibyte)

Well, we can’t know if Starlink’s marketing team used 2^10 or 10^3, and since it’d inflate their numbers I guess the latter.

mlyle 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

Data rates are almost always multiplied by powers of 10, because they're based on symbol/clock rates which tend to be related to powers of 10. There's no address lines, etc, to push us to powers of 2 (though we may get a few powers of 2 from having a power of 2 number of possible symbols).

So telco rates which are multiples of 56000 or 64000; baud rates which are multiples of 300; ethernet rates which are mostly just powers of 10; etc etc etc.

Of course, there's occasional weird stuff, but usually things have a lot of factors of 5 in there and seem more "decimal-ish" than "binary-ish".

doublerabbit 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good enough to play Quake 3 Arena.

Sammi 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You might just be able to stream 240p youtube without stuttering with that.

mikestew 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, not nice. Previously, if we exceeded the 50Gb cap, there was the option to continue on at high-speed for $1/Gb. And that's the same price per Gb as the base plan of 50Gb/month for $50. Now, it's either upgrade to unlimited, or enjoy Netflix at 500Kbps. I want the old plan back.

scottyah 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Now the cap is 100G. Seems like an odd complaint. Did you often exceed 100Gb?

mikestew 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's unlikely that we will exceed 100Gb/month in the camper. But if we do, it's either slow speeds, or pay $165/month for unlimited roam every single month we use it, versus paying a little extra for the few times we go over. In the end, it'll probably work out okay for us, but I liked the previous option of being able to get high-speed data at a reasonable price should we go over the limit.

ralfd 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If I calculate correctly then 500 kbps is actually enough for Netflix in standard quality. If one wants to binge watch 4K (7 GB per hour) then the unlimited plan makes more sense anyway.