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mattmaroon 4 hours ago

Meanwhile, my cofounder is rewriting code we spent millions of salary on in the past by himself in a few weeks.

I myself am saving a small fortune on design and photography and getting better results while doing it.

If this is not all that well I can’t wait until we get to mediocre!

nonethewiser 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Meanwhile, my cofounder is rewriting code we spent millions of salary on in the past by himself in a few weeks.

Why?

Im not even casting shade - I think AI is quite amazing for coding and can increase productivity and quality a lot.

But I'm curious why he's doing this.

merlincorey 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Meanwhile, my cofounder is rewriting code we spent millions of salary on in the past by himself in a few weeks.

Code is not an asset it's a liability, and code that no one has reviewed is even more of a liability.

However, in the end, execution is all that matters so if you and your cofounder are able to execute successfully with mountains of generated code then it doesn't matter what assets and liabilities you hold in the short term.

The long term is a lot harder to predict in any case.

_vertigo 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Code is not an asset it's a liability, and code that no one has reviewed is even more of a liability.

Code that solves problems and makes you money is by definition an asset. Whether or not the code in question does those things remains to be seen, but code is not strictly a liability or else no one would write it.

merlincorey 4 hours ago | parent [-]

"Code is a liability. What the code does for you is an asset." as quoted from https://wiki.c2.com/?SoftwareAsLiability with Last edit December 17, 2013.

This discussion and distinction used to be well known, but I'm happy to help some people become "one of today's lucky 10,000" as quoted from https://xkcd.com/1053/ because it is indeed much more interesting than the alternative approach.

wouldbecouldbe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Developers that can’t see the change are blind.

Just this week, sun-tue. I added a fully functional subscription model to an existing platform, build out a bulk async elasticjs indexing for a huge database and migrated a very large Wordpress website to NextJS. 2.5 days, would have cost me at least a month 2 years ago.

fxtentacle 3 hours ago | parent [-]

To me, this sounds like:

AI is helping me solve all the issues that using AI has caused.

Wordpress has a pretty good export and Markdown is widely supported. If you estimate 1 month of work to get that into NextJS, then maybe the latter is not a suitable choice.

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nsoonhui 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not directly comparable. The first time writing the code is always the hardest because you might have to figure out the requirements along the way. When you have the initial system running for a while, doing a second one is easier because all the requirements kinks are figured out.

By the way, why does your co-founder have to do the rewrite at all?

nonethewiser 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You can compare it - just factor that in. And compare writing it with AI vs. writing it without AI.

We have no clue the scope of the rewrite but for anything non-trivial, 2 weeks just isn't going to be possible without AI. To the point of you probably not doing it at all.

I have no idea why they are rewriting the code. That's another matter.

el_benhameen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I find the opposite to be true. Once you know the problem you’re trying to solve (which admittedly can be the biggest lift), writing the fist cut of the code is fun, and you can design the system and set precedent however you want. Once it’s in the wild, you have to work within the consequences of your initial decisions, including bad ones.

aprdm 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

lol same. I just wrote a bunch of diagrams with mermaid that would legit take me a week, also did a mock of an UI for a frontend engineer that would take me another week to do .. or some designers. All of that in between meetings...

Waiting for it to actually go well to see what else I can do !

nonethewiser 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

The more I have this experience and read people maligning AI for coding, the more I think the junior developers are actually not the ones in danger.

segfaultex 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds like an argument for better hiring practices and planning.

Producing a lot of code isn’t proof of anything.

sheeh 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yep. Let’s see the projects and more importantly the incremental returns…

bwestergard 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Out of curiosity, what is your product?

venndeezl 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I suspect he means as a trillion dollar corporation led endeavor.

I trained a small neural net on pics of a cat I had in the 00s (RIP George, you were a good cat).

Mounted a webcam I had gotten for free from somewhere, above the cat door, in the exterior of the house.

If the neural net recognized my cat it switched off an electromagnetic holding the pet door locked. Worked perfectly until I moved out of the rental.

Neural nets are, end of the day, pretty cool. It's the data center business that's the problem. Just more landlords, wannabe oligarchs, claiming ownership over anything they can get the politicians to give them.

mschuster91 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The problem is... you're going to deprive yourself of the talent chain in the long run, and so is everyone else who is switching over to AI, both generative like ChatGPT and transformative like the various translation, speech recognition/transcription or data wrangling models.

For now, it works out for companies - but forward to, say, ten years in the future. There won't be new intermediates or seniors any more to replace the ones that age out or quit the industry entirely in frustration of them not being there for actual creativity but to clean up AI slop, simply because there won't have been a pipeline of trainees and juniors for a decade.

But by the time that plus the demographic collapse shows its effects, the people who currently call the shots will be in pension, having long since made their money. And my generation will be left with collapse everywhere and find ways to somehow keep stuff running.

Hell, it's already bad to get qualified human support these days. Large corporations effectively rule with impunity, with the only recourse consumers have being to either shell out immense sums of money for lawyers and court fees or turning to consumer protection/regulatory authorities that are being gutted as we speak both in money and legal protections, or being swamped with AI slop like "legal assistance" AI hallucinating case law.

fzeroracer 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Meanwhile, my cofounder is rewriting code we spent millions of salary on in the past by himself in a few weeks.

This is one of those statements that would horrify any halfway competent engineer. A cowboy coder going in, seeing a bunch of code and going 'I should rewrite this' is one of the biggest liabilities to any stable system.

hactually 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I assume this is because they're already insanely profitable after hitting PMF and are now trying to bring down infra costs?

Right? RIGHT?!

habinero 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Every professional SWE is going to stare off into the middle distance, as they flashback to some PM or VP deciding to show everyone they still got it.

The "how hard could it be" fallacy claims another!

sheeh 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

As someone who is more involved in shaping the product direction rather than engineering what composes the product - I will readily admit many product people are utterly, utterly clueless.

Most people have no clue the craftsmanship, work etc it takes to create a great product. LLMs are not going to change this, in fact they serve as a distraction.

I’m not a SWE so I gain nothing by being bearish on the contributions of LLMs to the real economy ;)

iwontberude 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Definitely been in that room multiple times.