| ▲ | olivierestsage 8 hours ago |
| Funny to see this right now. Spotify's promotion of AI music bothered me so much that it has actually pushed me to Bandcamp and the practice of buying music again. It's really fun to build a collection knowing you're supporting the artists, download FLAC files, organize your little "collection" page ... Feels like a renaissance in my relationship with music, the most fun I've had since what.cd. Anyway, love this stance they're taking. |
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| ▲ | subdavis 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Same for me! Switched to Bandcamp + Navidrome and have decided that one of my goals for the year is to find at least 2 albums per month I want to buy. I will shamelessly promote the bandcampsync [1] CLI tool for automating downloads of your bandcamp library and bandcamp-sync-flask [2] wrapper that I built so I could invoke it from the web on my phone after I buy an album. [1] https://github.com/meeb/bandcampsync [2] https://github.com/subdavis/bandcamp-sync-flask |
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| ▲ | eloisius an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | This is great. If you packaged it as a docker-compose YAML and maybe added a periodic task to poll automatically id drop it into Container Station in my NAS today. | |
| ▲ | indrora 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | oh my god thank you for showing me that I had been using a combination of aria2 and a link scraper plugin for years to download bulk out of bandcamp because of how fast their API will time out. | |
| ▲ | nemomarx 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What's the navidrome pitch? | | |
| ▲ | ezst 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You stream the music you own, it uses the subsonic protocol/API, and so is compatible with countless clients, letting your enjoy your lossless music on fancy hardware at home or cached on your mobile device when on the go. | |
| ▲ | indrora 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Better Plex than plex for music built by people who know what they're doing that uses a common API among different servers and clients, including ones that glue to Sonos, etc. |
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| ▲ | WD-42 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I’ve been doing the same over the last few months. The best part for me is going to record stores again. CDs are SO cheap now, especially used ones. I’ll usually pick a few out of the dollar bin just based on vibes and the cover and rip them when I get home. I’ve found some cool stuff. It’s like a treasure hunt. Don’t miss Spotify one bit. |
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| ▲ | rurp 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Slightly off topic but this describes a lot of what I love about used book stores. I enjoy browsing around and often buy things that just seem interesting since the prices are low. I've found all kinds of great books that would never turn up in a regular curated store. | |
| ▲ | te_chris 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes. But shhhhh about cds, don’t want people to realise… Also the price of decent (Sony hifi grade, not ES) CD players used is great too. | | |
| ▲ | WD-42 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I did just realize after posting maybe touting how affordable CDs have become is maybe not the best idea. | | |
| ▲ | eterm 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can't remember the artist but there's a fun song about how they used to pick up second hand LPs really cheap and then they got popular and too expensive, then discovered second hand CDs are really cheap now. Frank turner-ish vibes but I don't think it was actually him. It's completely un-googlable though, and even the LLMs aren't much help on this one. | | | |
| ▲ | RIMR 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The people who really want to stop paying for streaming are going to turn to piracy, don't worry. Physical media will still be accessible for people who are willing to pay with space instead of money. | | |
| ▲ | KK7NIL an hour ago | parent [-] | | "We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem" - Gabe Newell |
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| ▲ | conartist6 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | :'D |
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| ▲ | patates 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Aren't CD players just reading digits? I'm not anywhere close to a hifi expert but it must be all about the DAC, no? Or do you mean the ones with a built-in DAC? | | |
| ▲ | JohnFen 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > all about the DAC, no? Yes, it is (unless the CD player is so bad that it can't do adequate error correction). What I do is rip the CD to my music server, which is where I listen to the music from. Then the quality of the CD player isn't important, as long as it works correctly. | | |
| ▲ | blibble an hour ago | parent [-] | | it's surprising difficult to rip from audio CDs in a error free manner most tools do it badly and just accept what the drive gives them in default mode, often with glitches |
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| ▲ | 6stringmerc 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I second this strategy. My suggestion is keep an eye out for soundtracks and “sampler” type promo discs - some quirky gems! Record labels and their relationships with Hollywood did demonstrate money and drugs and music to great together…see: Spawn the movie soundtrack (1990s). Also my library card is much better for legacy music exploration. It scales too. |
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| ▲ | TyrunDemeg101 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I just wanted to say, thanks for saying this. I actually have been writing music and using Distrokid to publish to the normal streaming services (Spotify/Apple Music) and your comment actually pushed me to sign up for and put music on Bandcamp. In case you'd like to take a look, shameless self promotion: https://aaronholbrook.bandcamp.com/music I have to go through my back catalog, and add all my music, but I appreciate your perspective and for wanting to support artists! |
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| ▲ | distances 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've been reading about Spotify pushing generated music but haven't seen that myself so I'm interested to know in what context it happens. Is it certain music styles? Spotify's own playlists? That smart shuffle feature? I listen mostly in the old school way, full albums of my favourite artists, so I suppose it would be quite unexpected to stumble into AI music this way. |
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| ▲ | beberlei 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I believe if you go down the rabbit hole of "mood playlists" and spotify created playlists, then you'll get a lot of tracks that they don't need to pay royalties for and that could probably include AI generated music. If you are explictitly looking for music by specific artists, then you get their music obviously. | | |
| ▲ | Mistletoe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Is there a good way to know if what you are listening to is AI? I listen to a lot of outrun and synthwave type stuff and it isn’t as easy as googling the artist’s name, a lot of it is made by artists that don’t tour and are quite small etc. | |
| ▲ | troupo 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > then you'll get a lot of tracks that they don't need to pay royalties for I love this conspiracy theory. Which track doesn't Spotify pay royalties for? Considering that it licenses 100% of its music from external distributors. | | |
| ▲ | rpdillon 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The program, according to Pelly’s reporting in Harper’s Magazine, is designed to embed low-cost, royalty-free tracks into Spotify’s most popular mood- and activity-based playlists. Produced by a network of “ghost artists” operating under pseudonyms, the tracks are commissioned with the intent to reduce the company’s royalty payouts to artists, per Pelly. https://edm.com/news/spotify-using-ghost-artists-minimize-ro... | |
| ▲ | ivarv 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Spotify hires musicians to churn out content that fits certain criteria.
see https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machin... | | |
| ▲ | troupo 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Spotify doesn't hire any artists because if it did, major labels would immediately pull their contracts. No one actually understands what's written in this article, including the authors themselves. Also note how you didn't provide a single track that Spotify allegedly pays no royalties for. | | |
| ▲ | james_marks 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | You’re missing the concept of session musicians that can improvise for hours. No license, flat fee. |
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| ▲ | parpfish 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Internally, they refer to it as “perfect fit content” (pfc). It used to just be stuff like white noise and rain sounds, but it has expanded to essentially be a modern Muzak replacement. For situations when people don really want “music” and just need “contextually appropriate aesthetically pleasing sound” | | |
| ▲ | JohnFen 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That makes all the sense in the world to me. I'd call that an entirely legitimate use for AI generated music. |
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| ▲ | miki123211 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There are artists that Spotify has different deals with. Spotify promotes their music in their playlists, but the artists get a much smaller cut of the profits in exchange. Win-win for everybody. This only happens in genres where most listeners don't care about the artists they're listening to, think "chillout", "focus" or "easy listening." That kind of music is a commodity, Taylor Swift (or Metallica or Mozzart or whatever) is not. This has been proven. My hypothesis is that those genres would otherwise lose Spotify the most money, as people often play that kind of music and never turn it off. Because Spotify pays per listen, the user who attentively listens to their favorite artist a few times a week is much better for them than somebody who has "chillout" playing on their echo 24/7. | | |
| ▲ | troupo 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | > There are artists that Spotify has different deals with. Spotify doesn't have deals with artists because Spotify doesn't have direct contract with artists. Only with distributors. > My hypothesis is that those genres would otherwise lose Spotify the most money, How would they "lose Spotify money", and how is this different from top artists on Spotify? |
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| ▲ | autoexec 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm not saying they are doing it now, but what's stopping them from generating their own tracks? What's to stop them from creating some bullshit company to generate AI slop and then licensing music from themselves at fractions of what they'd pay a real artist just to keep up the illusion so that real artists don't leave their platform? If a corporation can do something that will make them more money than they'd make not doing it you should expect them to do the profitable thing. Corporations don't care about ethics or even the law. Maximizing shareholder value is their purpose. They exist only to take from the many and give to the few. It's not a conspiracy theory to assume that they'll be doing exactly what they are designed to do. | |
| ▲ | james_marks 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not a conspiracy theory. Spotify hires session musicians (pre-AI) to pay a flat fee for hours of background music. Since many high volume Spotify users just want “something jazzy” in the background, it helps them reduce royalties. | |
| ▲ | butlike 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's not really a conspiracy theory. YouTube users can use royalty-free music, it stands to reason Spotify would have the same (potentially internally) to decrease costs. "Why pay royalties if it's just going to be BGM for a massage parlor?" could be their reasoning. | | |
| ▲ | fortran77 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I only go to massage parlors that display their ASCAP or BMI license in the window. I wouldn't be happy getting an ending if some musician is being ripped off. |
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| ▲ | vintermann 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yet another person who plays the bogeyman card of "conspiracy theory" when what is described is garden variety corruption, only takes a trivial amount of secret coordination in a group smaller than your average terrorist cell, and could probably even be defended as legal with a small legal team (Spotify probably has a big one). There are a billion ways you could cash in on this. A dead easy one is "music written for hire by a company you own". Even if Spotify is not doing the slightest thing like this, suggesting that they might is not a conspiracy theory. Quit trying to tar every proposed view of the world you disagree with with that label. You're just making it easier for the actual grand conspiracy theorists. |
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| ▲ | gkoz 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | After an album ends Spotify keeps playing some related music. It's expected to include some tracks that are new to you. Then suddenly you notice "artists" you've never heard of with empty descriptions and "albums" from 2025 only. | | |
| ▲ | bossyTeacher 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > After an album ends Spotify keeps playing some related music. Partially correct. That only happens if you don't have the loop functionality activated. |
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| ▲ | wartywhoa23 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This. Lazy/mindless consumption without any discernment has been leading to various rabbit holes for quite a while. Ever saw youtube content which algorithm brings toddlers to if left alone with a device? Autopilot in, autopilot out. But still fuck this AI slop. | |
| ▲ | quickthrowman 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’m the same as you, I search for artists I like and then listen to albums, saving them in my library. I never see any AI generated music or podcasts because I just listen to music. I have more than enough music made by humans to listen to for the rest of my life without ever turning to algorithmic recommendations. |
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| ▲ | jazzyjackson 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Best part of owning music is importing them to an old version of iTunes and sync'ing to your iPod. I am vindicated in my choice to use an ipod with an aux jack every time Android Auto can't decide whether to connect over USB or bluetooth and just doesn't play audio until I restart the phone and the car... |
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| ▲ | pkulak 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I switched to Bandcamp a while back because I was sick of Spotify playing the same 100 songs forever. It feels like they have about 2 songs for every artist that they will actually play in any generated playlist. |
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| ▲ | alexjplant 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Bandcamp continues to be the best place to organically discover new artists. If I'm ever bored I go to their front page and browse by genre. It feels like the digital version of Sam Goody or whichever 90s record store had the headphone kiosks where you could listen to songs before buying the record. Spotify, on the other hand, induced a level of visceral disgust I'd never felt before when I stumbled across an AI-generated album supposedly made by an artist I enjoy. In this case it was somebody that had been dead for 15 years - they were hijacking her Spotify page to promote it as a new release. I'm not an AI reactionary but I found this absolutely fucking gross. Having AI-generated music for four-hour YouTube videos of anime girls sitting in apartments on a rainy day is fine. Desecrating the body of work of a departed musician is decidedly not. |
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| ▲ | miki123211 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is not Spotify, it's Spotify fraudsters. It's like being mad at your bank that somebody stole your credit card on the subway and made purchases with it. | | |
| ▲ | alexjplant 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Spotify failed and continues to fail to verify the provenance of the music on their platform. They also routinely allow bedroom EDM and trap producers to associate their releases with older artists just because they have the same name. If they have hundreds of millions of dollars to sign podcasters to exclusive deals then they certainly have the resources to respond to these egregious cases of misclassification. Unfortunately their report submission system will only allow this class of problem if you can verify that you're the copyright holder. This therefore means (unless I'm missing something) that it's easier to submit fraudulent music than it is to take it down. Do not shift blame here. Spotify is actively complicit in this. Hell, they could sic a few crafty data scientists on this and build an ML model to weed these bad tracks out. It'd be great PR for them ("we're saving artists from stolen revenue and preserving the sanctity of their work") and would be a novel contribution to the field of fraud prevention. The problem is that they're not incentivized to do so. And, by the way, card transaction fees exist to cover the exact case you're talking about. Card companies make you whole in the case of fraud. | |
| ▲ | solid_fuel 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > It's like being mad at your bank that somebody stole your credit card on the subway and made purchases with it. It's being mad that a store sold me a counterfeit rolex, actually. Spotify might claim to just be a "marketplace" like every other platform these days, but they're still the ones hosting that page that passes off slop as legitimate work by another artist. Spotify has a responsibility to govern what is hosted and sold on their platform. | |
| ▲ | pixl97 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >It's like being mad at your bank that somebody stole your credit card on the subway and made purchases with it, and then your bank is like "oh, sorry man, we can't do anything about that, guess they have your card forever now" FTFY. |
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| ▲ | vjerancrnjak 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I miss what.cd, bandcamp almost a replacement |
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| ▲ | Ritewut 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Same. I buy music from Bandcamp and Qobuz. I don't stream it though instead opting to sync my massive music collection through Syncthing |
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| ▲ | butlike 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Absolutely! Bandcamp has really been phenomenal these past few years for me as well |
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| ▲ | marknutter 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you came across a song and fell in love with it, only to find out later that it was generated by ai, would you stop loving the song? |
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| ▲ | cdrnsf 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes. It would reveal any emotional resonance, meaning or attachment to be fake and without value. | |
| ▲ | GoatInGrey 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If the person behind it pretends to have produced it themselves, or (this actually happened) put themselves in AI-generated photos with celebrity artists in their cover/album art, then I will sour on them and stop listening to their uploads. This has only happened once. The rest of the time, I will be listening to a radio playlist as I work when a song comes on that makes me go "Wait a minute." Checking the song's cover art, clearly AI. Artist page? 30 singles in 2025, every one with AI cover art. The bio reads like a Suno prompt (and probably is). The uploader then gets tossed in the proverbial bin. The above has been happening more and more often. To the point where it's about 30% of the songs I hear on the radio playlist, as of this week. I'm in the process of migrating over to Deezer as a consequence. They label AI-generated music and do not recommend them or include them in radio playlists. Edit:
Not the exact same artist, but I searched a generic song name to find an AI slopper. This one AI-inserting himself into pictures with women for cover art is the same idea as the one putting himself in pictures with celebrities like Ariana Grande. https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kEPAFHKkMPF1... | |
| ▲ | autumnstwilight 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you saw a video of a person doing something cool, and later found out it was AI generated, would you still be impressed? Of course, it's not exactly the same situation, but if I listen to a song and appreciate that the vocalist sounds cool and they're doing some technically difficult things, I am definitely less impressed to find out it's a computer program. And it also means I can't find other songs with that vocalist's same artistic sense because they don't have one, they're a computer program who can sound like anything. | |
| ▲ | olivierestsage 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, and I would be curious to discover which human artists' works were plagiarized to produce the result I liked in the AI song. | |
| ▲ | JohnFen 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, I certainly would. I might even start hating the song, if that discovery left me feeling tricked. | | |
| ▲ | marknutter 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | That is such a bizarre opinion to have. Do you not enjoy art because it gives you joy? | | |
| ▲ | JohnFen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Of course I do. But what gives me joy with art is that it's a communication from one person to another. It's not about pretty sounds (or pictures, or whatever the medium is). If that communication isn't there, then the art has no real value to me regardless of how pretty it is. If I think I'm talking with a person and it turns out that I'm talking with a machine, I've been duped and will likely be angry about it. Another way to think about it is that when it comes to art, "the ends justify the means" doesn't really work because the whole point is more the means than the ends. | | |
| ▲ | hexage1814 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | >But what gives me joy with art is that it's a communication from one person to another Maybe if a person generated 50,000 songs, not even listening to them, you could have a point. Although, even in that case, regardless of the lack of an "artist's intention," there is the interpretation of what people will take from that thing. And that interpretation is often different from what the author originally had in mind. Hell, most people don't know the author of most movies, TV shows, and the like they watched. In other words, to me, it's more about what people take from that thing, as opposed to "Oh, what that sentient being was trying to communicate?" And I do believe a sufficiently advanced AI model would be able to mimic or synthesize human knowledge/worries/dramas in such a profound way that, regardless of "intention to communicate," it would be able to create things that people would relate to and take deeper meaning from. Also: the very dataset where that thing was trained wasn't trained on an alien dataset, with an alien culture and the like, all originating from poems written by real people, movies by real people, etc., etc. The model learned from human culture; therefore, whatever it produces is a reflection of that culture, which people could and most likely will relate to, and, hell, they are already doing that. But even taking the argument at face value, "Oh, human creation," someone might have used AI, but they were still involved in all parts of the creation process, like writing the lyrics, curating the data, and the very fact of them choosing a song and saying, "Hey, I liked that, I will share it with people," would already be a communication. | | |
| ▲ | SnowingXIV 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It needs to be more than that, I want to hear musicianship that has been honed and crafted. The struggle to find their sound. I'm fine with even an amateur musician learning their way around an instrument and being able to put something together that they tracked and mixed. If a prompt returned the most perfect song, I would still not care to listen as that to me has completely divorced any human element that I would be interested in. Would not find it to be inspiring nor aspirational no matter how "good" it sounded so the models themselves could get exponentially better, but the manner in which it was created will prevent me from ever listening or caring about. It will always be hollow and lifeless. Again, this is personal preference. If it makes others happy, that's great. In other many other mediums, I'm probably fine with that reduction in human-ness (where others may not be). | |
| ▲ | JohnFen 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Although, even in that case, regardless of the lack of an "artist's intention," there is the interpretation of what people will take from that thing. Of course. My interpretation is an important part as well, but that comes from me, not the artist, so is a bit different. Well, maybe I should say that the meaning and importance of a song is in the confluence of the artist and myself. I did want to clarify something, though -- I'm not really talking about the "artist's intention" here. That's a different thing, too. The emotional communication I'm talking about happens even if I have no idea what the artist's conscious intention was, or even if I don't know who the artist is. > And I do believe a sufficiently advanced AI model would be able to mimic or synthesize human knowledge/worries/dramas in such a profound way that, regardless of "intention to communicate," it would be able to create things that people would relate to and take deeper meaning from. Perhaps so! But that kind of simulacrum is something I have absolutely no interest in. In fact, I find the idea of it a bit repulsive. > someone might have used AI, but they were still involved in all parts of the creation process, like writing the lyrics If an artist actually created the thing, then it's not an AI generated song. It's a human created song that may have involved AI as a tool. I'm talking more about if a human just describes the song they want to an AI and the AI creates the rest. That said, I'm particularly averse to AI vocals, because vocals are particularly intimate for me. A song that has a machine as a singer is a song I'll reject even if the rest was created by a human. > the very fact of them choosing a song and saying, "Hey, I liked that, I will share it with people," would already be a communication. Technically true, but that's nowhere near the kind of communication I'm talking about. That has little value to me unless the person sharing it and myself know each other very, very well. Then, it's a communication/connection between that person and me, which can make it a great thing even if the song wouldn't resonate with me on its own. I mean, art is inherently about human experience and emotion. Each of us resonates with certain types of art and doesn't resonate with other types. All I'm trying to do here is explore and maybe explain what resonates or not with me. I am in no way saying that anybody else should share my tastes. |
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| ▲ | cdrnsf 4 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Art is interesting because it’s fundamentally human and challenges you. Slop is incapable of doing that. |
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| ▲ | _DeadFred_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If the players played really well, would you follow an AI generated basketball league? | | |
| ▲ | cdrnsf 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | No. At that point you’re watching a video game that plays itself or a rather involved screensaver. |
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| ▲ | hxugufjfjf 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Absolutely not. Reggae Wars is proof of this. | |
| ▲ | bossyTeacher 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This happened to me last month. After the first song, I suspected so I checked the cover and the artist profile. It was AI generated. I enjoyed the album nevertheless. You can find AI music enjoyable. People also hated DJ music before. And recorded music before. And electro amplified live music performances before that. This is just another category of music. Doesn't take away from human music. What people are right to be angry is that the tech was made on the backs of other people's non-remunerated work. Whether a human made a song or not shouldn't be as important as actual living artists being taken advantage of. | | |
| ▲ | JohnFen 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I agree entirely. Well, not entirely. I think anger would also be an understandable response if the music were misrepresented as being by human musicians if it weren't. Like it would be understandable if people got mad if they thought they bought easy listening and actually got acid metal. Or vice versa. |
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| ▲ | anentropic 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Amen! |
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| ▲ | conartist6 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Now that's a sales pitch! You have my interest. |
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| ▲ | tayo42 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| What do you search for or listen to that gives you ai generated music? |