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beberlei 7 hours ago

I believe if you go down the rabbit hole of "mood playlists" and spotify created playlists, then you'll get a lot of tracks that they don't need to pay royalties for and that could probably include AI generated music.

If you are explictitly looking for music by specific artists, then you get their music obviously.

Mistletoe 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is there a good way to know if what you are listening to is AI? I listen to a lot of outrun and synthwave type stuff and it isn’t as easy as googling the artist’s name, a lot of it is made by artists that don’t tour and are quite small etc.

troupo 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> then you'll get a lot of tracks that they don't need to pay royalties for

I love this conspiracy theory. Which track doesn't Spotify pay royalties for? Considering that it licenses 100% of its music from external distributors.

rpdillon 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The program, according to Pelly’s reporting in Harper’s Magazine, is designed to embed low-cost, royalty-free tracks into Spotify’s most popular mood- and activity-based playlists. Produced by a network of “ghost artists” operating under pseudonyms, the tracks are commissioned with the intent to reduce the company’s royalty payouts to artists, per Pelly.

https://edm.com/news/spotify-using-ghost-artists-minimize-ro...

ivarv 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Spotify hires musicians to churn out content that fits certain criteria. see https://harpers.org/archive/2025/01/the-ghosts-in-the-machin...

troupo 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Spotify doesn't hire any artists because if it did, major labels would immediately pull their contracts.

No one actually understands what's written in this article, including the authors themselves.

Also note how you didn't provide a single track that Spotify allegedly pays no royalties for.

james_marks 5 hours ago | parent [-]

You’re missing the concept of session musicians that can improvise for hours. No license, flat fee.

parpfish 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Internally, they refer to it as “perfect fit content” (pfc).

It used to just be stuff like white noise and rain sounds, but it has expanded to essentially be a modern Muzak replacement.

For situations when people don really want “music” and just need “contextually appropriate aesthetically pleasing sound”

JohnFen 5 hours ago | parent [-]

That makes all the sense in the world to me. I'd call that an entirely legitimate use for AI generated music.

miki123211 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are artists that Spotify has different deals with. Spotify promotes their music in their playlists, but the artists get a much smaller cut of the profits in exchange. Win-win for everybody.

This only happens in genres where most listeners don't care about the artists they're listening to, think "chillout", "focus" or "easy listening." That kind of music is a commodity, Taylor Swift (or Metallica or Mozzart or whatever) is not. This has been proven.

My hypothesis is that those genres would otherwise lose Spotify the most money, as people often play that kind of music and never turn it off. Because Spotify pays per listen, the user who attentively listens to their favorite artist a few times a week is much better for them than somebody who has "chillout" playing on their echo 24/7.

troupo 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> There are artists that Spotify has different deals with.

Spotify doesn't have deals with artists because Spotify doesn't have direct contract with artists. Only with distributors.

> My hypothesis is that those genres would otherwise lose Spotify the most money,

How would they "lose Spotify money", and how is this different from top artists on Spotify?

autoexec 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not saying they are doing it now, but what's stopping them from generating their own tracks? What's to stop them from creating some bullshit company to generate AI slop and then licensing music from themselves at fractions of what they'd pay a real artist just to keep up the illusion so that real artists don't leave their platform?

If a corporation can do something that will make them more money than they'd make not doing it you should expect them to do the profitable thing. Corporations don't care about ethics or even the law. Maximizing shareholder value is their purpose. They exist only to take from the many and give to the few. It's not a conspiracy theory to assume that they'll be doing exactly what they are designed to do.

james_marks 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not a conspiracy theory. Spotify hires session musicians (pre-AI) to pay a flat fee for hours of background music.

Since many high volume Spotify users just want “something jazzy” in the background, it helps them reduce royalties.

butlike 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not really a conspiracy theory. YouTube users can use royalty-free music, it stands to reason Spotify would have the same (potentially internally) to decrease costs.

"Why pay royalties if it's just going to be BGM for a massage parlor?" could be their reasoning.

fortran77 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I only go to massage parlors that display their ASCAP or BMI license in the window. I wouldn't be happy getting an ending if some musician is being ripped off.

vintermann 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yet another person who plays the bogeyman card of "conspiracy theory" when what is described is garden variety corruption, only takes a trivial amount of secret coordination in a group smaller than your average terrorist cell, and could probably even be defended as legal with a small legal team (Spotify probably has a big one).

There are a billion ways you could cash in on this. A dead easy one is "music written for hire by a company you own".

Even if Spotify is not doing the slightest thing like this, suggesting that they might is not a conspiracy theory. Quit trying to tar every proposed view of the world you disagree with with that label. You're just making it easier for the actual grand conspiracy theorists.