> Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product

Definitely. At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door. It was nearly two years ago they sold a phone with features that still haven't shipped and the promise that Apple Intelligence would come in two months.

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pankajdoharey 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I consider Apple to be practical, Also Apple will be running Gemini on its own hardware. This is better than Buying perplexity and running chinese model on which Perplexity runs. Training Models is a money on game, Its better to rent models than training your own. If everyone is training models they are going to be come commodity, also this is not the final architecture.

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JumpCrisscross 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door

To the extent Cupertino fucked up, it's in having had this attitude when they rolled out Apple Intelligence.

There isn't currently a forcing function. Apple owns the iPhone, and that makes it an emperor among kings. Its wealth is also built on starting with user problems and then working backwards to the technology, versus embracing whatever's hot and trying to shove it down our throats.

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cush 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

> There isn't currently a forcing function

Sorry but if there wasn’t a forcing function then “Apple Picks Gemini to Power Siri” wouldn’t be the headline

	▲	JumpCrisscross 9 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> if there wasn’t a forcing function then “Apple Picks Gemini to Power Siri” wouldn’t be the headline A pair four-trillion dollar companies striking a deal in the hottest technology space since the internet getting headline treatment is not evidence of a forcing function.

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baxtr 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What are the top 3 features you’re missing right now?

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krferriter an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I'm sorry, I can't answer that right now.

Would you like to click this button which takes what you said and executes it as a Google search in Safari?

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cush 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'll bite

1. Have a user interface. Sometimes I'll ask a question and Siri actually provides a good enough answer, and while I'm reading it, the Siri response window just disappears. Siri is this modal popup with no history, no App, and no UI at all really. Siri doesn't have a user interface, and it should have one so that I can go back to sessions and resume them or reference them later and interact with Siri in more meaningful ways.

2. Answer questions like a modern LLM does. Siri often responds with very terse web links. I find this useful when I'm sitting with friends and we don't remember if Lliam Neeson is alive or not - for basic fact-checking. This is the only use case where it's useful I've found, when I want to peel my attention away for the shortest period of time. If ChatGPT could be bound to a power button long-press, then I'd cease to use Siri for this use case. Otherwise Siri isn't good for long questions because it doesn't have the intelligence, and as mentioned before, has no user interface.

3. Be able to do things conversationally, based on my context. Today, when I "Add to my calendar Games at Dave's house" it creates a calendar entry called "Games" and sets the location to a restaurant called "Dave's House" in a different country. My baseline expectation is that I should be able to work with Siri, build its memory and my context, and over time it becomes smarter about the things I like to do. The day Siri responds with "Do you mean Dave's House the restaurant in another country, or Dave, from your contacts?" I'll be happy.

	▲	sandytoast 18 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Isn’t its voice the ui? It should respond using the same context of the request. Voice and natural language. If you ask for a website it should open a browser. Edit: everything else spot on

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taspeotis 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Could it just fucking work? "Hey Siri turn on the [room name] room lights" and it gives me a positive chime and ... doesn't turn any lights on? In any of my rooms?

	▲	akoboldfrying 4 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Judging by another comment, it probably turned the lights on in a restaurant in a different country.

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woah 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Siri to function above the level of Dragon NaturallySpeaking '95

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ohyoutravel 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Fantastic reference. I remember pirating this from microcrap.com in about 1996.

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mcny 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> 1996

I'm chuckling at the idea of pirating software in 1996.

iirc even in 1999, I couldn't figure out why Windows update required me to use internet exploder. It would take forever to download updates over dialup.

	▲	karlshea an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I definitely pirated Photoshop around 1996 from the macfilez (possibly zelifcam by then) AOL chat room.
	▲	cbozeman an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		My older brother and I were pirating software from BBSes before the World Wide Web existed. Talk about being there when the deep magic was written.

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codepoet80 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ANY ability to answer simple questions without telling me to open Safari and read a webpage for myself...?

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andy_ppp 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I should be able to completely control my phone with voice and ask it to do anything it is capable of and it should just work:

"Hi Siri, can you message Katrina on WhatsApp that Judy is staying 11-15th Feb and add it to the shared Calendar, confirm with me the message to Kat and the Calendar start and end times and message."

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smallmancontrov 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Elementary anti-spam.