It also - as seen in that screenshot, had large, always visible scrollbars where it was easy to see how far down you were in a folder or document, and could easily click and drag to scroll to where you needed. Now in the service of minimalism we have scrollbars that consist of a thin, semi-transparent line that fades out after half a second and is nearly impossible to click and drag due to how small it is.

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masklinn 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Now in the service of minimalism we have scrollbars that consist of a thin, semi-transparent line that fades out after half a second and is nearly impossible to click and drag due to how small it is.

You can make them always on still. I've done so ever since their disappearing act started. It's not even much hidden, it's in the "Appearance" setting pane.

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Lammy 4 hours ago | parent [-]

They're still too small and too light. Some times when a document is big enough I'm actually not able to find the scroll thumb on macOS Sequoia. Some times wiggling the scroll thumb around by scrolling slightly back and forth with my mousewheel/trackpad helps to make it visually appear, but other times I just have to give up.

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IshKebab 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Also I've noticed sometimes things don't even work correctly with "always on". Some developers don't test it because it's not the default.

	▲	Wowfunhappy 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		These developers also haven't bothered to test with any mouse other than an Apple Trackpad, which turns the scrollbars on by default. Of course we all make mistakes, but anyone who has made this mistake should really fix it!

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bsimpson 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The default modality changed.

Classic Macs were designed for the mouse or trackball. Modern Macs are designed for multitouch scrolling. When it's easy to get the scrolling infrastructure on demand, the desktop might not need the same click-first affordances.

	▲	userbinator 15 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		You're missing the fact that the scrollbars also indicate where you are in their range, which is important regardless of how you do the scrolling itself.