| ▲ | soared a day ago |
| Agreed - check out for example a Toyota rav4 le. This is the base model with effectively zero modern “subscription-esque” fancy features. It’s got a touchscreen and power windows, but otherwise it’s all the reliability/etc of Toyota and that’s it. About half the price of what most rav4s are listed at and $20k+ cheaper than a 4Runner. |
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| ▲ | M95D 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It has a Data Communication Module - it spies on you. If you try to remove that, you lose audio in the front right speaker. |
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| ▲ | hedgehog a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Oh no, across the line Toyota still tries to sell you a subscription service that's required for things like remote start. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis a day ago | parent [-] | | So? Why would people buying the cheapest possible model care? Remote start is a luxury feature. Just ignore the subscription offer like a luxury trim option. | | |
| ▲ | nottorp a day ago | parent [-] | | It depends. What else is included in that subscription? Mirror and seat heating by any chance? Can you buy a Toyota that isn't always online? Because having remote start available, subscription or not, sounds like you can't. | | |
| ▲ | soared a day ago | parent | next [-] | | My point was you can buy a car that is primarily safety+capability and not luxury+subscription. My rav4 has a touchscreen and power windows but that’s literally it as far as convenience/luxury. ~28k a couple years ago, no subscription. Anything heated, remote, touch to start, etc is in the luxury category what gp was asking about avoiding. | | |
| ▲ | nottorp a day ago | parent [-] | | Depending on the weather, heated mirrors may be a safety feature. I'd very much like that for rain/foggy days for example. | | |
| ▲ | Aurornis a day ago | parent [-] | | This comment section went from “I don’t understand why car makers don’t sell a cheap stripped down car without luxuries” to “Heated mirrors and seats are very important” very quickly. HN comments discovering in real time why the stripped-down base model vehicles don’t actually sell. People like those luxury features and they choose to pay extra for them. | | |
| ▲ | nottorp a day ago | parent | next [-] | | But which ones are luxury? I don’t want a fucking infotainment system that has the fucking a/c controls on the fucking touch screen for example. And I’m not willing to pay 30% extra for electric and then wonder if it’s safe to rent a cabin in the woods for the new year’s. | |
| ▲ | formerly_proven a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Same procedure as every year, James. |
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| ▲ | Aurornis a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | > It depends. What else is included in that subscription? Mirror and seat heating by any chance? Are you saying it is? Or is this a rhetorical question? Either way, those are again luxury features. If someone is in the market for those features they’re not really looking for the base model any more. | | |
| ▲ | nottorp 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Are you saying it is? Or is this a rhetorical question? i don't know. I'm not in the market for a new car atm. And considering how enthittified new cars are, I shouldn't be at all. |
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| ▲ | jacobbudin a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| In the United States (USD, MSRP): * 2026 Toyota RAV4 LE (base trim) - $31,900 * 2026 Toyota RAV4 Limited (top trim) - $43,300 * 2026 Toyota 4Runner SR5 (base trim) - $41,570 |
