It depends. What else is included in that subscription? Mirror and seat heating by any chance?

Can you buy a Toyota that isn't always online? Because having remote start available, subscription or not, sounds like you can't.

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soared a day ago | parent | next [-]

My point was you can buy a car that is primarily safety+capability and not luxury+subscription. My rav4 has a touchscreen and power windows but that’s literally it as far as convenience/luxury. ~28k a couple years ago, no subscription.

Anything heated, remote, touch to start, etc is in the luxury category what gp was asking about avoiding.

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nottorp a day ago | parent [-]

Depending on the weather, heated mirrors may be a safety feature. I'd very much like that for rain/foggy days for example.

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Aurornis a day ago | parent [-]

This comment section went from “I don’t understand why car makers don’t sell a cheap stripped down car without luxuries” to “Heated mirrors and seats are very important” very quickly.

HN comments discovering in real time why the stripped-down base model vehicles don’t actually sell. People like those luxury features and they choose to pay extra for them.

	▲	nottorp a day ago \| parent \| next [-]
		But which ones are luxury? I don’t want a fucking infotainment system that has the fucking a/c controls on the fucking touch screen for example. And I’m not willing to pay 30% extra for electric and then wonder if it’s safe to rent a cabin in the woods for the new year’s.
	▲	formerly_proven a day ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Same procedure as every year, James.

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Aurornis a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> It depends. What else is included in that subscription? Mirror and seat heating by any chance?

Are you saying it is? Or is this a rhetorical question?

Either way, those are again luxury features. If someone is in the market for those features they’re not really looking for the base model any more.

	▲	nottorp 19 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Are you saying it is? Or is this a rhetorical question? i don't know. I'm not in the market for a new car atm. And considering how enthittified new cars are, I shouldn't be at all.