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| ▲ | NicuCalcea a day ago | parent [-] | | I disagree, some systems are so bad they need to be rejected outright. As a European, I find asking for the help of Vance and Musk as hostile, even if the person asking is in the right. | | |
| ▲ | 1dontnkow_ 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | He is not asking Vance for help as an individual but the position he has for the country the company is headquartered in. What would you expect? They cant go and ask a random country for help on a complicated geopolitical issue. You are supposed (maybe required) to contact officials from your country and relevant agencies and institutions. I'm not the biggest fan of the US Administration currently either but if a company asks them for help, they're doing what you're supposed to do, and they shouldn't be labeled as bad or sharing the view of the current administration. | | |
| ▲ | NicuCalcea 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't see how a representative of the executive and an oligarch of one country have any say in the legal matters of another. You either comply with the laws of the country you operate in, or you get out, it has nothing to do with the president of the country your HQ is in. |
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| ▲ | reassess_blind a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | What would you have them do instead? Honest question. | | |
| ▲ | luke5441 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | At the very least don't complain about it publicly. Using diplomatic channels I think things like this can quietly go away.
But if you make it an issue in the public court of opinion people usually support their own democratically elected government compared to the increasingly hostile foreign regime. | |
| ▲ | speedgoose 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Not ping them? | |
| ▲ | staplers a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If an actor asked Harvey Weinstein for help, I would think less of them. End of story. | |
| ▲ | NicuCalcea 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There are legal avenues in any jurisdiction to contest decisions that you believe are unfair. Running to the (vice-)president and your oligarch friends is just weak and makes you look like the bully. | | |
| ▲ | 1dontnkow_ 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hm, I'm trying to keep an open mind here so help me: Why exactly would that be weak? Given the resources and connections it needs, wouldn't it be actually very strong? Also, I'm from EU, and nobody in their right mind sees Italy as the victim. The politics in Italy gave gone insane and they are a huge example of a fuck up as a whole country. Also the EU, is trying to push censorship law and most companies in EU are fight with everyone they've got to not let them pass and organize petitions and what not. Also are you all people supporting this law and the fine or do people, for some weird reason, have started to hate Cloudflare and letting their emotions cloud their judgement? Lets forget Cloudflare for a moment and imagine just another company... Would you still agree entirely on this laws contents and the procedures and fines issued? Lets please all focus on the important topic here. Companies come and go, but destructive laws keep us suffering for decades on end, maybe forever. | | |
| ▲ | NicuCalcea 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's weak because people who are connected to power don't need to have a meltdown on a public forum and beg for help. I have no feelings about either Cloudflare or Italy. I doubt I've thought about Cloudflare for more than 5 seconds at a time before this. I also am not informed enough about this particular issue, some types of censorship are good, others are bad. That's all besides the point though, the point is that a multi-billion dollar corporation is demonising (as in, actually posting AI slop of Italians as demons) legitimate European authorities and publically asking a bully government to coerce a smaller country into submission. |
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