| ▲ | ithkuil a day ago |
| Apparently a lot of people in the west too are assuming that these protests are fueled by the west. At least that's the most likely explanation for why so many left leaning youth are not supporting Iranians while supporting Palestine. Apparently the fight is not about freedom but about (perceived) whiteness vs non-whiteness |
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| ▲ | irusensei a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| These people treat geopolitics as if they are watching an avengers movie. |
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| ▲ | logicchains a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >Apparently the fight is not about freedom but about (perceived) whiteness vs non-whiteness But the Iranians are white. The name Iran is literally derived from "Aryan". |
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| ▲ | Aloisius a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I believe that was the point they were making. While I don't think they're right that Iran is ignored because Iranian protesters and the Iranian government are both perceived as white by Americans (or both non-white, depending on the person), it's undeniable that they use the perceived non-whiteness of Palestinians and perceived whiteness of Israelis as rhetorical ammunition. This rhetorical device is a rather effective as Americans have a tendency to view everything through their own lens of "race"/color so casting the conflict as white people oppressing non-white people because they are non-white is a powerful argument that is easily understood by Americans. That said, personally, I think Iran is ignored more because Palestine is sucking all the air out of the room than anything else, especially with all the graphic videos/photos. Sudan on the other hand... there's really no excuse for ignoring that. | | |
| ▲ | shigawire a day ago | parent [-] | | >Personally, I think Iran is ignored more because Palestine is sucking all the air out of the room than anything else, especially with all the graphic videos/photos. >Sudan on the other hand... there's really no excuse for ignoring that. Palestine has the focus because America tax dollars most directly fuel the conflict and it is the most one-sided. Iran is an internal conflict and Sudan is a civil war - neither of which are as directly funded by the US. Also neither has a perceived clear solution. In the case of Israel, the US should have significant leverage that it does not have in those other conflicts. |
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| ▲ | graemep a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Aryan does not equal white. Definitions of race are very culturally dependent. A few decades ago South Asians were regarded as caucasian (I have an American encyclopedia published in the 1950s that says so), a century earlier so were some East Africans (Somalis IIRC). The current western definition of white does not include them. Similarly the current American definition of black includes people most of the rest of the world would not consider black - we sometimes have to be told that some people identify as "black" (what Americans call passing as white). | |
| ▲ | ithkuil a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah of course none of this makes sense. And yet it all has real world consequences. It's all incredibly partisan. If one just manages to take a step back and watch this dynamic from outside it all seems so weird: the islamist Iran backs Hamas, Hamas are Palestinians, Palestinians are victimized by Jews, Jews have money, capitalists have money, america is capitalist, america is imperialist, ergo .... Islamist Iran is against capitalist imperialism. The protests are against islamist Iran ergo they are against the fight against capitalist imperialism and thus they don't deserve solidarity, or something like this. I would really love to hear from somebody who is not supporting the Iran protests to honestly tell me if I misrepresented their position and in which way | |
| ▲ | helloaltalt a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Iran comes from the word rougly translating to the word noble, and noble in sanskrit translates to the word Arya Aryans aren't necessarily white or black especially in the sanskrit context of things. |
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| ▲ | FilosofumRex a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| No, they're just better educated about Iran than are you. Iran provides substantial food, fuel, education and healthcare subsidies to the average citizen and has a very effective state bureaucracy which functions independent of political appointees. Pensioners' checks are issued regularly and social services are delivered by charitable "Bonyads", which are run by local mosques, which don't report to any government ministries. |
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| ▲ | helloaltalt a day ago | parent | next [-] | | My ex was iranian and we frequently talked about iran and you are so wrong. She had frequent black outs with complete electricity downage for many hours a day and she was in a major city One of the largest problems is that Iran's average income is so poor and the rising inflation and rising prices. They didn't even have a battery or something which could store electricity while it came because the batteries were so expensive that one of them cost like 1 month of salary of average iranian. Things were really tough, she told me about the education system and she had to recently move to govt school and she said that there were just not any books available. She really disliked the regime. She was liberal and I asked her about hijab and she said that she was forced to wear in schools and that the only contacts that they usually did was with their brothers. The society is extremely strict to a point of no return. The average Iranian person either barely scrapes by or was/is actively being suffered by authoritarian brutality from the ground reality of extremist islamist radicalism that their govt put them on. | | | |
| ▲ | kelvinjps10 a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Just go there, live there if you think that's true. It isn't it's the same argument that communist believers do about Venezuela, Cuba and North corea they will support those government but they won't move there or even ask the people there how they actually live. |
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