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Perfect meaning tasters would be initially fooled, but would correct themselves and note that the tastes were slightly different in A/B testing. The formula wasn't cracked it was emulated to a high degree of accuracy.

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layer8 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Coke isn’t even consistent between factories, different bottle sizes and cans.

hilbert42 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That's my experience but I'm not much of a Coke drinker.

I recall some years ago Pepsi making the claim they could replicate Coke to the point of it being essentially indistinguishable but that's wasn't the point, their branding required Pepsi to be clearly differentiated from Coke—commercially that seems to make sense.

It's unclear how accurate Pepsi's claims are but they seemed to be based on tasting trials where people couldn't tell the 'clone' from the real thing.

Seems to me Pepsi was likely right, if we consider how close this formulation is to Coke and that it was produced with limited resources then one would expect Pepsi with its huge resources to grind their 'clone' as fine as they deemed necessary.

These days, Coke's 'secret' formula is more a publicity stunt than anything else.

pests 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Never liked the 20oz plastic Coke bottles. The aluminum cans and 2liter plastic tasted fine though.

piskov 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is true: sweetness is very different across the globe due to nation preferences

epolanski 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not just across nations, but across packaging.

Suppafly 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I didn't watch the video, but assuming they used a mass spectrometer, the end result will be identical to the real thing, anyone tasting otherwise is deluding themselves.

Arch-TK 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The video explains how the gas based mass spectrometers he had (indirect) access to don't normally pick up nonvolatile compounds like tannins. It was a big breakthrough that since he didn't have cocoa leaf extract, and he basically nailed everything else, he couldn't really understand what he was missing until he realised the extract would likely contain tannins.

So there may be other nonvolatile compounds which nevertheless impact the flavour profile. While a lot of flavour is in your nose, not all of it is...

ginko 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Maybe he could have paired it with an hplc reading.

piskov 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is wrong.

Same with perfume knock-offs

Spectrometer doesn’t tell you quantities, mixes, what have you.

You can emulate 90% of the first smell but never in life you can replicate entire bouquet, aftersmell, propriety molecules, etc.

epolanski 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

Spectrography can absolutely tell you concentrations if you compare it to a test solution with a known concentration.

ipsum2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He doesn't compare the mass spec of his final product to a real coke, unless I missed it.

kadoban 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You did miss it. It's quite close, but not identical. Wouldn't be surprised if different batches of coke have at least some variance anyway.

moron4hire 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You missed it

jrochkind1 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Taste buds can detect chemicals in as concentrations as low as a few parts per million, I dunno.

hinkley 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Someone once said the reason we had alcohol before civilization is that we carry around a chemical testing laboratory in our faces.

It just so happens that everything in beer that can go wrong and hurt you (any sooner than cancer) creates a distinct aftertaste and you can learn to avoid it rather easily.

The only exception of course is if you use poisonous ingredients in the first place.

tomcam 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Mass spec is indeed demonstrated multiple times

Telemakhos 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There have been a number of taste tests that show that, when blindfolded, most people can't distinguish between Coke and Sprite, let alone Coke and a close imitation, without the visual cue: throw together enough sugar, acid, and carbonation, and it overwhelms the body's ability to distinguish taste. It's a story often repeated in marketing (like Twitchells' Branded Nation), because forging a distinction between indistinguishable parity products is marketing's job.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/food/1982/0...

natdempk 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think if you believe this I'd recommend trying it yourself.

I've done this blinded with colas, and it's pretty easy to tell the difference between Coke, Diet Coke, Coke Zero, Pepsi, and Diet Pepsi. You might not know which is which without some history drinking them, but they all taste very distinct by themselves.

Really disagree that these are indistinguishable parity products, or that most people would not be obviously able to tell the difference between them.

rootusrootus 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I'll say that the 'Zero' products have gotten quite good. Not indistinguishable, but closer than I expected. On a couple of occasions I've inadvertently purchased real Dr Pepper instead of Dr Pepper Zero and not realized I was drinking the real thing. That's high praise for the Zero version (notably, the Diet version of Dr Pepper, while it has a following of its own, is extremely unlike real Dr Pepper).

Imustaskforhelp 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know but I recently drank coca cola which my brother ordered and then after a few days, I decided to drink diet coca cola because I was discussing it with my brother and he mentioned that diet and normal coke are the same price and I started wondering if there are negative effects to normal coke and not much for diet coke and they both are same price and I am drinking it for the taste, then diet coke makes the most sense so I decided to order it

Not sure if its just me though but after drinking both diet coke and normal coke the taste gap between diet coke and normal coke felt really huge to me.

You mention about Dr pepper and how strikingly similar Dr Pepper zero is, what are some other drinks which have a genuinely similar.

But now realizing this, I think that there is a difference between diet, zero and normal variants, this is the first time I am discovering this. Time to drink coke zero and coke but the winters are really cold so I might have to wait this winter season

epolanski 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Diet coke is much cheaper to produce, sugar is the most expensive part of coca cola by far.

rafabulsing 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can confirm, could never stand the taste of Diet Coke, but Coke Zero tastes pretty close to the original to me! To the point that I pretty much never drink regular Coke anymore, if Coke Zero is available. There's basically no downside to going with Zero, imo. And the upside of no calories is pretty great.

plasticsoprano 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

That’s because Diet Coke is not based on classic Coke. It’s based on new coke, it should really be called diet new coke. Coke Zero is based on Coca Cola classic.

rcxdude 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

IIRC, the diet versions of pepsi and coke are deliberately a bit different, while the zero ones are trying to taste the same as the regular ones.

epolanski 10 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I can't drink normal coke, it disgusts me, leaves an unpleasant sensation on my teeth, probably the sugar, but love the zero. It's also zero cal, which is a huge bonus.

mattmaroon an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That link actually clearly says down in the body that they could pick the lemon lime out from the colas, which makes sense.

Throwing together sugar, acid, and carbonation does not overwhelm your sense of taste. Thats most bottled beverages. If you believe this, you should see a doctor.

But many beverages are very similar to other beverages. It’s not an inherent flaw in taste perception that Coke and Pepsi taste alike to most people, it’s that one was intentionally made to be only slightly different than the other.

spyckie2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is irrelevant and misleading. Just because many people cannot tell flavors apart doesn’t mean that the products are parity and are marketing differentiated.

Sure the majority of people cannot tell flavor notes apart but there exists a certain % of the population that can very reliably distinguish different tastes. Wine sommeliers, fine dining, food science are all professions which require a sensitive palate and smell and it is an over simplification to talk about sodas tasting the same for the majority of people as if it implies there is no difference or speciality in crafting taste.

knallfrosch 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most people prefer Pepsi's taste. Unless the brands are revealed, then the brand recognition sets in and your brain rewards you more for choosing Coca Cola (c)

So you can taste it, but that doesn't matter in the end.

kadoban 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Last I recall, you get different answers if you taste just a sip verses a larger amount. Pepsi has a good first taste, but after a couple of sips it's pretty overpoweringly sweet, even compared to other sodas.

pests 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Their example wasn't even Coke vs Pepsi but Coke vs Sprite.

hinkley 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Supposedly Jell-O was originally to be clear but they needed the food coloring to convince your brain you weren’t just tasting sugar and citric acid instead of the little bit of flavor they added per recipe.

Loughla an hour ago | parent [-]

All Jello tastes the same, and that's a hill I'll die on. There are no flavors.

pixl97 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yea, you've never drank the off brand stuff I see. It's generally significantly different to me.