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bakies 2 days ago

How many of these supposedly "gang banger illegal immigrants" being detained by ICE are here legally and not criminals?

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15155 2 days ago | parent [-]

I don't really care, and this isn't a valid retort.

Why should some be allowed to skip the line? If they are skilled, H-1B, O-1, etc. visas should be obtainable.

There's no implicit right to migrate wherever one chooses regardless of the laws of that country, sorry!

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bakies 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

Neither are any of your replies. Btw it's nearly. 70% are non-criminal and here legally. ICE's own data.

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15155 2 days ago | parent [-]

Criminality doesn't factor into my calculus at all: if you are here without status, you will be removed.

Criminal removals should be expedited, no doubt, but even visa overstays should be met with prompt deportation.

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bakies 2 days ago | parent [-]

they're here with status and going to concentration camps

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15155 2 days ago | parent [-]

A popular technique is to conflate illegal immigrants with legal ones for the benefit of argument.

Removals of those with legal status should be corrected! I can simultaneously agree with you on this point and believe that all illegal immigrants should be removed! - this is actually the most fair and just solution to those who bothered to wait in line and follow the proper procedures!

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bakies 2 days ago | parent [-]

> A popular technique is to conflate illegal immigrants with legal ones for the benefit of argument.

Yes, I'm not. The Administration is.

Removing people is cruel. I doubt most deserve it, in fact I know most don't. Deport the actual criminals, sure. That's not what is happening today.

Ideally there is no "line." Proper procedures should be easy. If people are crossing the rivers and crawling through razor wire to get here then the policies make it too hard to enter the country. There's also a good excuse of being afraid of authority. So if they did cross the border improperly (not a criminal offense, btw), I would still like to hear them out and get them documented. Fine them, like the law says.

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15155 2 days ago | parent [-]

> If people are crossing the rivers and crawling through razor wire to get here then the policies make it too hard to enter the country

This is an opinion.

> not a criminal offense, btw

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

You were saying?

> Fine them

The law also says "jail them" - let's just deport them and save the cash.

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bakies 2 days ago | parent [-]

> Civil Penalty

Traffic ticket makes you a criminal? Deport you for speeding?

> The law also says "jail them" - let's just deport them

How about we follow the law. You're the one that cared so much about lawbreakers. Stop being cruel.

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15155 2 days ago | parent [-]

> Traffic ticket

Maybe read or ask an LLM to summarize part (a) for you? Civil penalties are in addition to the criminal ones - reading can be tough, I know.

	▲	bakies a day ago \| parent [-]
		why dont we just kill them instead of deporting them it's cheaper? since we dont care about laws

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amanaplanacanal 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

The right to travel is a basic human right, whether any particular government recognizes it or not. People have been migrating to make a better life for themselves since humans have existed. Your ancestors did it, my ancestors did it. Good luck sweeping back the tide.

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15155 2 days ago | parent [-]

> Good luck sweeping back the tide.

$170B should make a big dent! Southern border encounters are way down: I think it's working!

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goatlover 2 days ago | parent [-]

And how much do you think illegal immigration is costing tax payers for medical care in comparison?

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amanaplanacanal 2 days ago | parent [-]

Exactly, none. Illegal immigrants get no federal health care by law.

	▲	bakies a day ago \| parent [-]
		Dont bother, the user arguing doesnt care about laws, he cares about hurting immigrants for the sake that they're immigrants