| ▲ | RiverCrochet 6 hours ago |
| IPv4s are about to be bought, held, portfoilo'ed, speculated, and rented/mortgaged/sold like real estate. Companies like IPXO are already doing it. The costs of public IPv4's are going to go up for no technical reason because a new distinct ownership layer is springing up between you and the ISP. You're going to start renting them or paying a holder for the right to use them (on top of your ISP to transport it) at some point. And you can continue to do that, or get IPv6's for free. |
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| ▲ | wmf 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Just to be pedantic, it's "illegal" to hoard IPv4 or to buy it for any purpose other than using it directly. But yeah, in the real world it may become more financialized than it already is. OTOH if prices keep dropping maybe they won't bother. |
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| ▲ | malfist 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Ford Motor Company has both a /8 and a /9. They own over 16 million ip addresses. | |
| ▲ | throwaway894345 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Relatedly, I've been seeing some people buying up old domains and squatting on them with AI generated content. Not even ads, but content that seems like something that might actually show up in a rare Google search query. Not really sure what the play is or why this is better than advertising the domain for sale (do registrars punish overt squatting these days?). |
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| ▲ | runjake 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We own our own IPv4 and IPv6 ranges, which is nice. There already is a holder for the US: ARIN.net and I hear it's a pretty spendy annual fee for most orgs (we're legacy. we've had ours for decades) |
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| ▲ | stackghost 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How does one get an IPv6 allocation for free? Or, do you mean the ULA space? Because the latter doesn't really count. |
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| ▲ | vel0city 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | You just ask your RIR. For example: https://www.arin.net/resources/guide/ipv6/first_request/ | | |
| ▲ | stackghost 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Looks like that's only for organizations. Even "end users" have to meet the requirements: >Have an IPv4 assignment from ARIN or one of its predecessors >Intend to immediately be IPv6 multi-homed >Have 13 end sites (offices, data centers, etc.) within one year >Use 2,000 IPv6 addresses within one year >Use 200 /64 subnets within one year Seems like they discourage individuals from getting allocations for their own personal use. | | |
| ▲ | throawayonthe an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | right above that is says: "If you meet any of the criteria below, you qualify to receive IPv6 address space:" (emphasis added) | | |
| ▲ | stackghost an hour ago | parent [-] | | Unless they're very lax about what constitutes multi homed I meet zero of those requirements. Does me renting a server in a DC count as multi homing? Bridging my network to my friend's place over wireguard? Doubtful tbh |
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| ▲ | kazen44 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | this depends on your RIR. RIPE has far less strict requirements. | | | |
| ▲ | immibis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah. If you're not an ISP or other LIR yourself, the correct path is to ask your ISP or a third-party ISP for a provider-independent allocation. This costs a nominal fee, about $50 per year. I only know anything about RIPE policies but I gather the PI address processes and fees are very similar between RIPE and ARIN. RIPE has many members that are willing to handle address allocations for the RIPE fee plus 20% (so 60€ per year) and without bundling any other services. | |
| ▲ | vel0city 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In the end you're still just asking for a block, you don't pay for it. There are requirements which vary from RIR to RIR, sure, but there were requirements for requesting blocks in IPv4 as well originally. Ultimately, as a regular person requesting IPv6 space you'd just ask your ISP, which can get practically as much as they want for free by submitting these kinds of requests. Meanwhile, for IPv4 space they're going to have a harder and harder time getting you additional space and chances are be unwilling to give it free/cheap. | | |
| ▲ | WarOnPrivacy 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > as a regular person requesting IPv6 space you'd just ask your ISP In real life these requests don't lead to IPv6 allocation, no matter how they're asked or how often. Here are a few of the responses I've received just this year. "At this time we are not able to provide a IPv6 unfortunately."
"We regret to inform you that, at this time, we do not offer IPv6 support."
"I wanted to inform you that IPv6 is currently not available"
My current ISP went as far as dumping their own IPv6 allocation. Three weeks ago it stopped being advertised in their ASN. Which I suppose is their way of telling me to stop asking.Past that: Over 15yrs of asking various ISPs (large and small) to make allocations available, none of us ever budged the IPv6 needle. |
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| ▲ | almosthere 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Now all we need is for someone to make a crypto currency so you can fractionally own IPv4 addresses. |
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| ▲ | runjake 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Presumably this would be port-based fractional and 443/tcp would cost a premium. | | |
| ▲ | almosthere an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I was thinking it was more of a "more than 50%" ownership controls the routing tables. Love the chaos. | |
| ▲ | RiverCrochet 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's already possible to "split" a frontend HTTP server on a given IP and port to arbitrary backend IPs and ports via the Host header and reverse proxies. |
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| ▲ | iso1631 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| IPv4s have been bought and sold for years https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales Prices have been going down in nonimal terms for years, let alone real terms. In terms of investment they're a terrible asset. |
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| ▲ | swinglock 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | IPv6 and CGNAT growth has finally started to suppress IPv4 prices. There was a huge pump when hyperscalers decided they needed more. But IPv6 keeps growing and is the majority of traffic in many networks. If you own significantly more IPv4 addresses today than you need, I would dump them on the market yesterday. Spend some of the profits to move to IPv6 if still needed. | |
| ▲ | rr808 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | nice. I wish I could buy an address instead of renting from aws... | |
| ▲ | rahimnathwani 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It seems like the addresses cost about $20 each, and can be rented out for ~$5/year. That doesn't seem terrible. |
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