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dmitrygr 3 hours ago

A hot NATO-Russia engagement ends with a few sunrises at 3am all over Europe, USA, and Russia. Not a thing to joke about or cheer.

TulliusCicero 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Remember when invading Russian territory was a red line that could cause a nuclear retaliation? And then Ukraine went into Russia and Russia responded with a pretty bog standard conventional force?

Russia isn't gonna fling nukes if the West doesn't first. Putin and co have no interest in Moscow being glassed.

cosmicgadget 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You'd think their escalation threshold would be something a bit more existential than a few more rustbuckets at the bottom of the ocean.

thrownato 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure the Motherland is really all that strong these days, Dmitry.

rolph an hour ago | parent [-]

careful, Brigadier they can introduce a foriegn substance into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard core commie works.

hobobaggins 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Saber rattling and nuclear threats always benefits someone.. who?

ericmay 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well maybe the Russians should stop joking about it if it’s so serious. How many times do I have to hear from Medvedev about how Russia will rain nuclear hellfire on London?

Fuck around, you’ll find out. These guys are wimps. If they want to end the world, so be it. China would be destroyed too.

9dev 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

All the while his very own daughter lives in London. These threats are really just that, nothing to take overly serious.

dmitrygr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

“ If they want to end the world, so be it.”

This is not a way rational adults make decisions. I truly hope you are not a voter in any democratic nuclear-armed country.

ericmay an hour ago | parent | next [-]

You’re not thinking about things clearly. You can’t live as a hostage. Otherwise “do what we say or nukes” until you wind up a slave. Better off dead.

If Russia doesn’t like it they can stop with the dumb threats.

dmitrygr 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

Happy to suggest some books on how cold War was actually navigated by both parties without destroying the planet. Not to spoil the ending, but at no point in time was "if we do this and then they blow us all up, so be it" a strategy

flyinglizard 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The best way to avoid confrontation is to have an irrational adult at the helm, then all calculated escalation bets are off and you tend to just not play.

pohl 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

We’ve got one of those in the US but it turns out the tradeoffs are terrible.

actionfromafar 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just bend over for Putins liberators then. There’s nothing that can be done. Let them take what they want? No thanks.

andrepd 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

By definition anything is preferable to global nuclear holocaust, so I'm not sure where you want to go with your argument.

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actionfromafar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I am glad you didn’t run the Cold War.

Edit: by that I mean, with that attitude we would just have never developed nukes, or given the nukes to the Russians preemptively, because who wants nuclear war, right? Anything is better than that.

mmooss 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If your plan is one that ends with the end of the world and billions dead, it's a bad plan. Attacking strawpersons doesn't make it better. You need a better plan.

JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> one that ends with the end of the world and billions dead

The point is it doesn’t. Ukraine is on its way to wiping out Russia’s Black Sea Fleet. It’s pure posturing to pretend Moscow is stupid enough to end its existence over a naval battle, much less simply credible threats of one.

mmooss an hour ago | parent [-]

> The point is it doesn’t.

That statement doesn't really amount to much given the risk. I think we need something far more convincing; and many experts clearly think nuclear war is a risk.

cosmicgadget 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sounds like your criticism is better leveled at the country threatening nuclear holocaust if someone sneezes at them.

flyinglizard 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's not yet demonstrated Russia will make the jump from a limited conventional confrontation to an all out nuclear war, even as its territory is under daily attack from a non-nuclear country.

mmooss an hour ago | parent [-]

It's not demonstrated, sure, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. This isn't rolling out an update to the text editor.

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