I thought that the article would be about if we want AI to be effective, we should write good code.

What I notice is that Claude stumbles more on code that is illogical, unclear or has bad variable names. For example if a variable is name "iteration_count" but actually contains a sum that will "fool" AI.

So keeping the code tidy gives the AI clearer hints on what's going on which gives better results. But I guess that's equally true for humans.

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asielen 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Related it seems AI has been effective at forcing my team to care about documentation including good comments. Before when it was just humans reading these things, it felt like there was less motivation to keep things up to date. Now the idea that AI may be using that documentation as part of a knowledge base or in evaluating processes, seems to motivate people to actually spend time updating the internal docs (with some AI help of course).

It is kind of backwards because it would have been great to do it before. But it was never prioritized. Now good internal documentation is seen as essential because it feeds the models.

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sleepy_keita 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Humans can work with these cases better though because they have access to better memory. Next time you see "iteration_count", you'll know that it actually has a sum, while a new AI session will have to re-discover it from scratch. I think this will only get better as time goes on, though.

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charcircuit 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You are underestimating how lazy humans can be. Humans are going to skim code, scroll down into the middle of some function and assume iteration count means iteration count. AI on the other hand will have the full definition of the function in its context every time.

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joshribakoff 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You are underestimating the importance of attention. You can have everything in context and still attend to the wrong parts (eg bad names)

	▲	charcircuit a few seconds ago \| parent [-]
		Improving AI is easier than improving human nature.

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rsyring 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Or you immediately rename it to avoid the need to remember? :)

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CharlieDigital 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What I find works really well: scaffold the method signature and write your intent in the comment for the inputs, outputs, and any mutations/business logic + instructions on approach.

LLM has very high chance of on shotting this and doing it well.

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Philip-J-Fry 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is what I tend to do. I still feel like my expertise in architecting the software and abstractions is like 10x better than I've seen an LLM do. I'll ask it to do X, and then ask it to do Y, and then ask it to do Z, and it'll give you the most junior looking code ever. No real thought on abstractions, maybe you'll just get the logic split into different functions if you're lucky. But no big picture thinking, even if I prompt it well it'll then create bad abstractions that expose too much information.

So eventually it gets to the point where I'm basically explaining to it what interfaces to abstract, what should be an implementation detail and what can be exposed to the wider system, what the method signatures should look like, etc.

So I had a better experience when I just wrote the code myself at a very high level. I know what the big picture look of the software will be. What types I need, what interfaces I need, what different implementations of something I need. So I'll create them as stubs. The types will have no fields, the functions will have no body, and they'll just have simple comments explaining what they should do. Then I ask the LLM to write the implementation of the types and functions.

And to be fair, this is the approach I have taken for a very long time now. But when a new more powerful model is released, I will try and get it to solve these types of day to day problems from just prompts alone and it still isn't there yet.

It's one of the biggest issues with LLM first software development from what I've seen. LLMs will happily just build upon bad foundations and getting them to "think" about refactoring the code to add a new feature takes a lot of prompting effort that most people just don't have. So they will stack change upon change upon change and sure, it works. But the code becomes absolutely unmaintainable. LLM purists will argue that the code is fine because it's only going to be read by an LLM but I'm not convinced. Bad code definitely confuses the LLMs more.

	▲	deepsquirrelnet 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think this is my experience as well. I tend to use a shotgun approach, and then follow with an aggressive refactor. It can actually take a lot of time to prune and restructure the code well. At least it feels slow compared to opening the Claude firehose and spraying out code. There needs to be better tools for pruning, because Claude is not thorough enough. This seems to work well for me. I write a lot of model training code, and it works really well for the breadth of experiments I can run. But by the end it looks like a graveyard of failed ideas.

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zahlman 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What if I write the main function but stub out calls to functions that don't exist yet; how will it do with inferring what's missing?