| ▲ | manoDev 4 hours ago |
| The future of electrification is at risk because the market chose to bet on TSLA. Many companies backpedaled on EV and the POTUS is making a major push towards oil (including invading Venezuela). The future looks grim. |
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| ▲ | gota 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > The future of electrification is at risk because the market chose to bet on TSLA It really isn't. BYD is progressively becoming ubiquitous here (large South America city) |
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| ▲ | coliveira 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They essentially gave away the market to Chinese companies, while at the same time complaining that China is "stealing" something. |
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| ▲ | nxm 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why didn’t the Europeans come out on top? | | |
| ▲ | enopod_ 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Volkswagen EV sales go brrr in Europe, while Tesla is in free fall. | |
| ▲ | bgnn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Complacency made them sleep on the wheel ehen they doubled down on diesel. | |
| ▲ | AnotherGoodName 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All the traditional car companies in the west failed. I think short term focus is far too rewarded in Western companies. In fact that's pretty much the only oversight given to the CEOs. The next quarterly report is all that matters. Even if you wanted to do the right thing and focus on long term goals office politics will ensure that a single down quarter where you focused on long term investments will be punished by those looking to move up. Pump the numbers each and every quarter and don't bother about long term visions since those aren't important for your career, bonuses and golden parachute. The big shareholders too aren't worried about the long term either since shareholders are fluid. Pump this quarter and they can move their investments to the next company before the rot sets in. The companies that do extremely well in the West are those with singular stable long term leadership where the leaders have authority (or simply majority ownership) to take risks. Berkshire Hathaway, Meta, Nvidia, Amazon, Musks companies, Apple (under Jobs when he was around), etc. This is partly why Tesla stock price is ridiculous. The competition is the traditional car companies which are extremely poorly run while Tesla is seen as a company run by a singular individual with more authority to take on longer term projects than just the next quarters goal. I think the market isn't correctly taking into account the possible mental illness from Musk but none the less there is merit to the idea that a company with singular stable leadership will be more successful than those which have quarterly focus. This can be seen in many many examples. I actually don't think SpaceX is particularly well run either but their competition are companies where the only thing that matters for their leadership is the next quarterly report. So it's a case of a poorly run company vs an extremely terribly run company (eg. Boeing). No wonder SpaceX is doing well when their competition is fucking Boeing. Likewise with Amazon vs Walmart, Apple under jobs vs Apple not under Jobs, etc. China commonly avoids this trap with stakeholder rather than shareholder based governance. This is less than perfect but it's still a league better than the race to the next quarter that Western shareholder governed companies have been doing. Details from an academic point of view: https://clsbluesky.law.columbia.edu/2025/06/18/what-chinas-e... In other words the Western incentives for leadership is pretty broken (except when the leadership has the stability to avoid worrying about these short term incentives). I have the opinion that it's likely to lead to the fall of the West in the long term. We can see China repeatedly winning in various fields, electric cars being a clear example. We can also see in the West whenever we have shareholder based governance the companies have poor long term outcomes. | |
| ▲ | dylan604 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why any car manufacturer would be my question. This just sort of shows how tied Big Auto and Big Oil are | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > Why didn’t the Europeans come out on top? Fewer new entrants? America has Tesla, Rivian, Lucid, et cetera in the EV native camp, and Waymo in the autonomous-native camp. If we limit ourselves to export variants, Europe has Polestar. (And by this metric, China has dozens of new entrants in both fields.) | | |
| ▲ | bgarbiak 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Europe doesn’t need new entrants. They got legacy automakers that are no worse at making EVs than Chinese and American startups. The problem is: they can’t make them cheap enough to compete with China in developing countries. I’m not sure if they even want to do that at this point, the margins there are so low. It’s easier to just rebadge a Chinese car as your own (Renault and GM already do that in SA). | |
| ▲ | yen223 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Polestar is owned by Geely, a Chinese company |
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| ▲ | cmrdporcupine 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | All the established brands (except for maybe Nissan and some parts of GM) wanted their cake and eat it, too. They wanted electrification while still holding onto high margins. So they made almost their EVs all sit in the luxury segment. And in North America they failed to bring dealers to heal. It's ok, it's only our children's future at risk. | |
| ▲ | nutjob2 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because they're complacent and risk adverse. | | |
| ▲ | enopod_ 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | VW, Mercedes, BMW, Peugeot, Polestar all make great EVs and they absolutely dominate the European market. They built manufacturing capacity in EU first for the domestic market, but are not competitive on the US market because of Trumps tariffs. China produces very cheap, they‘re still competitive even with tariffs. European car companies either have to build EV manufacturing capacity in the US first, or hope for the next administration. |
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| ▲ | cmrdporcupine 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The "theft" they are really worried about is the loss of oil industry profits. That's who is sock-puppeting all these misanthropes. US capitalism was fine with a few wealthy people driving around some novelty luxury cars with EV motors in them. China turned it into an actual mass market product. |
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| ▲ | tartuffe78 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The future looks Chinese. |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | And electric | |
| ▲ | mindslight 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Trump is going to be lauded in the history books for sure. The Chinese history books, that is. Before this massive self-own, we at least had a chance. |
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| ▲ | epistasis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Only investor's share prices at risk, there's no risk to the future of electrification. Look at solar, an industry that has continual bankruptcies, yet is eating the world. New players grow, die, and get replaced all the time, in a continual churn of new technology. That Tesla would die a death was not inevitable, merely a choice due to recent years of extremely poor leadership and terrible mismanagment. Even now, Tesla may pull out of the slump and recover! It's doubtful it will ever justify its share price, but it's likely that if it ever gets fairly priced as a company, it could be sold to a US auto major that is regretting it's failure to produce EVs for the international market, and wants to try to catch up. Maybe. That time might have passed too... |
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| ▲ | rayiner 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The market didn’t choose to bet on Tesla. It was the only game in town for years. |
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| ▲ | gtirloni 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| For the US and the US only. |
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| ▲ | yieldcrv 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I disagree on that, just growing pains in the US |