| ▲ | delta_p_delta_x 8 hours ago |
| > We gave up the headphone jack. We gave up the microSD card. Some people might have given it up. I personally own a Sony Xperia phone, and intend to buy another Xperia next year, which will almost certainly still have both. In fact Sony is the one manufacturer that returned to a headphone jack after having removed it for a while. It might be more expensive than the competition, but this is my voting with my wallet. |
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| ▲ | vovavili 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| >It might be more expensive than the competition By a _substantial_ margin, because the best bang-for-your-buck strategy with smartphones for a long time has been to buy used or refurbished popular flagships for the last one or two years. As much as I like what Xperias are doing with a headphone jack and an SD card slot, the used market for them is almost non-existent. Even if you somehow manage to get a good deal, it will be even more difficult to find a good case and accessories like a reliable magnetic wallet, the market is just isn't there. I myself have settled on using a Pixel with a headphone jack DAC dongle and an external hard drive. |
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| ▲ | delta_p_delta_x 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > the used market for them is almost non-existent Perhaps, but phones have become appliances. All my friends and family have held on to their smartphones for at least 5 years now. | |
| ▲ | squigz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Those magnetic wallets seem like a terrible idea. | | |
| ▲ | vovavili 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are some mostly reliable ones out there on the pricier end, but the catch is that they are almost exclusive to flagships. For the extra-cautious, some even have "Find My Device" compatibility baked in. | |
| ▲ | Carrok 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I've used one for years now. No issues. Not sure what you're worried about. |
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| ▲ | Elfener 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Most phones that cost less than ~300 USD still have a headphone jack and microSD slot. I've never understood spending more than that on a phone anyway, you can't exactly use all that processing power on a phone operating system. Unfortunately some of the bad features from expensive phones have been moving down to the cheaper ones, like the destroyed screen that's missing its corners and has a hole for the camera in it for some reason. |
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| ▲ | Marsymars an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Budget phones are going to have different missing features for different people - for me the problem are that budget phones are all too large, full of software bloat, and receive poor software support. | |
| ▲ | hakfoo 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I just bought a newer phone and was surprised to see even the ~$200 Samsungs were lacking a headphone jack. That threw them right out of contention, so I ended up getting a 2024-model Motorola (the 2025s were $50 more and reviews said they offered no meaningful performance boost). | | |
| ▲ | lisbbb 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I get it, but the quality of headphones with cords has gotten so bad that the male jacks wouldn't last more than a few months. My son has gone through an untold number of corded headphones because his school iPad is too locked down to use bluetooth ones. |
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| ▲ | tayo42 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Are the cameras as good? | | |
| ▲ | dredmorbius 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | If you're so concerned about camera quality ... buy a dedicated camera. A 32 MP+ point-and-shoot starts at about $40, though goes up from there (to several thousand dollars for top models). As a bonus, it has an expected life far exceeding that of a smartphone. | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes because I really want to carry around two devices including a crappy phone. The latest version of iOS supports iPhones from 2019 and Apple is releasing security updates farther back than that. |
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| ▲ | Permik 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do note that unfortunately any future devices by Sony are just phones by other manufacturers that are just Sony branded. Sony stopped their first party device manufacturing, so your mileage of the hardware might be wildly different in the future. |
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| ▲ | bxparks 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Same. I buy Motorola phones because they have 3.5mm headphone jacks, real SIM cards, and microSD cards. |
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| ▲ | brewtide 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I've rocked pixels for a good while now, but the Xperia lineup has always been something I've really debated. My largest concern is camera quality: obviously it is Sony, but if you wouldn't mind, could you elaborate on their camera 'stack' a bit (esp. in relation to pixel phones if you have first hand experience...). |
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| ▲ | delta_p_delta_x 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I own an Xperia 5iii (so about four-and-a-half years old now), and I also own a Pixel 10. The Pixel 10's camera is unequivocally better. The JPEG outputs are processed, 'Instagram-ready'. The output from the Sony camera even in JPEG mode is considerably more muted, neutral, and has less contrast. Note that this is not representative of newer Xperias' camera quality; I've heard they have improved considerably. I'm not too concerned because I hardly use my phone to take photos; I have a Nikon mirrorless for that. |
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| ▲ | backwardsponcho 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| TIL that the Xperia line is still alive and kicking. Sweet phones! |
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| ▲ | climb_stealth 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Except 4G/5G does not work properly in Australia. :( It is some carrier configuration bullshit or something like that. There may be a way to make it work, but it did not look guaranteed after reading dozens of pages on forums on the topic. I ended up retuning the Sony I tried whilst I could still get a full refund. Phones used to be exciting. Now it is just frustrating because all the good features are gone. Headphone jack, sd card, fingerprint sensor on back, unlockable bootloader. |
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| ▲ | pjmlp 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Same here, no SSD or SIM support, no money from me. |
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| ▲ | raffael_de 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| what is it that keeps you loyal to xperia? |
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| ▲ | delta_p_delta_x 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Nothing. But I want the SD card, dual sim plus eSIM, a headphone jack, a rectangular screen with a decent aspect ratio ideal for wide-format films and scrolling. I will fully concede that Sony's software quality has taken a hit in recent years; they used to be much better in 2016 or so. | | | |
| ▲ | raffael_de 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | (Why would people downvote this utterly harmless question? I don't get it.) |
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| ▲ | worldsavior 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| But why? What's wrong with Bluetooth? |
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| ▲ | ryanmcbride 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The way its bandwidth is too low to broadcast and receive at high quality at the same time meaning everyone calling into the zoom call with their fancy airpods sound like they're calling from the other side of the moon while my 5$ plug-in earbuds sound like a damn recording studio in comparison. | |
| ▲ | delta_p_delta_x 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Worse quality, latency, potential to lose one (or both) earbuds, having to faff with batteries and charging and cases (and charging the charging case) when I can just... plug it in, bam, music in my ears. The knotting is a small price to pay for the improved quality and convenience in every other way. What's wrong with analogue audio? | | |
| ▲ | anonymars 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Something I read recently which I think is interesting food for thought: Did ditching the headphone jack increase the number of people in public who just play their music / talk on speakerphone, because now the alternative is much more complex and expensive compared to simple 3.5mm wired headset? Before proclaiming that Bluetooth is in fact simple and cheap, consider how your situation may differ from that of the perpetrators | | |
| ▲ | sjsdaiuasgdia 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | My own memory and current experience on this point is that it used to be far more common than it is today. I remembered there was a South Park episode where Cartman was being a stereotypical self-absorbed person walking around with their phone on speaker. I looked it up, and that episode came out in 2013. At the time, most phones on the market had a 3.5mm jack. Yet people not using headphones/headsets was an experience common enough to be turned into a joke in the show. I don't think there's much correlation between 3.5mm jack availability and using a phone's speaker output in public. "Simple" as you've used it is open to interpretation. I personally held on to wired headsets longer than most of my friends and family. You know what I don't miss, now that I've preferred wireless for a few years? Untangling the cable. Accidentally catching the cable on something and having an earbud ripped out. Picking lint out of the jack. Staying conscious of the length and positioning of the cable in the context of my own movements. Other than the BT connection process, which is only complicated if you're fortunate enough to own multiple devices and headphones/sets to connect to them, wireless can be a lot "simpler" in actual usage. | | |
| ▲ | anonymars 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I appreciate the counterpoint. The Cartman example is a good one. Also it's probably difficult to factor out the seemingly broken post-Covid social norms One point I'll make is simplicity comes in many forms. Wired headphones can be dirt-cheap, they don't run out of battery, and I don't think they're as prone to getting lost |
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| ▲ | Lvl999Noob 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My 2c. The risk of losing one (or both) earbud is a real one. My ears don't tend to keep snug grip on the earbuds so they tend to get loose after I walk a little. With earbuds, this might just be my own singular piece but, there is also the chance that only one of the two would connect to your phone. On the other hand, the cables get tangled together. I can't walk around with them because the cable gets stuck in the swing of my arms. Connecting them to the phone after a call had already started was a piece of cake though. With bluetooth, I never have my earbuds on when I actually need them and it's too much of a pain to take them out of my bag and connect them. Whenever it is time to replace my current earbuds, I am gonna go for a neckband instead. It has basically the best of both, imo (I am not that sensitive to audio quality mostly) and the downsides aren't large enough (I'll think of the weight as a neck workout). | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then don’t buy headphones like that. I have AirPods Pro. But I also have a pair of $50 Beat Flex that if they fall out of my ear they just go around my neck. I use them when I travel. I bought a pair of double flange doohickies to replace the standard ones. |
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| ▲ | ianburrell 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | LE Audio should fix the quality and latency problems. The latency is significantly lower and the bandwidth is twice Classic Bluetooth. There are new default codecs that are better, and there should be enough bandwidth for lossless. The other nice thing is enough bandwidth for bidirectional streams instead of low quality audio when use microphone. The current problem is that LE Audio implementations are new with lots of headphones having them as beta. | |
| ▲ | compass_copium 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Shouldn't it be the same thing? You either have the DAC on your phone convert the digital music file to an analog signal and send it over the aux cord to the speakers in the headphones, or have the digital file sent over Bluetooth and converted by a DAC in the headphones, right? It's not like you're plugging your headphones into a record player. | | |
| ▲ | delta_p_delta_x 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | > have the digital file sent over Bluetooth and converted by a DAC in the headphones, right This is not how Bluetooth wireless audio works. PCM audio is re-encoded on-device into any one of a few Bluetooth-capable codecs that is then streamed to the client device. This is a primary cause of latency. | | |
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| ▲ | pxx 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | latency is absolute killer. then there's also the fact that splitting the output is difficult, pairing (especially multi-pairing) is finicky but the real response is "what's wrong with a usb-c to 3.5mm adapter" | | |
| ▲ | yumraj 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Adapter causes unnecessary wear on the charging port. Recently had a phone go bad when the thunderbolt port stopped working due to the same port being used repeatedly for charging and for audio adapter. So when I updated the phone I grudgingly decided to get a BT earbud. | | |
| ▲ | EvanAnderson 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | One of my iPhone SE's died an untimely death because of failure of the lightning port, so I'm strongly sympathetic. I also am a hardcore 3.5mm headphone user. Wireless headphones are garbage. I did get my mind changed on USB-C DACs by way of inductive charging. Using an USB-C DAC and still being able to inductively charge seems at least somewaht reasonable to me. On the newest round of phones for my wife and me I've tried to make sure we're inductively charging >90% of the time. | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I use a MagSafe cord for charging. Much more convenient especially when using my phone while it’s charging |
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| ▲ | Imustaskforhelp 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > what's wrong with a usb-c to 3.5mm adapter I think it just adds friction (for measure, I feel audio jacks are pretty good) So the real response is, "what's wrong with most companies to not provide the 3.5mm itself?" It's good that xperia's doing this though. I think I still have phones which have 3.5mm itself so there isn't much to worry about. I think there are a lot of new phones which do offer it, I think both of my parents phones have support for 3.5mm by itself. | |
| ▲ | delta_p_delta_x 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > "what's wrong with a usb-c to 3.5mm adapter" I want to charge and listen to music at the same time. | | | |
| ▲ | raw_anon_1111 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I pair my AirPods Pro and Beat Flex to my iPhone and they automatically pair with my iPad, watch, AppleTV and my Mac and switch between them perfectly | |
| ▲ | dadoomer 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > what's wrong with a usb-c to 3.5mm adapter In my experience the connection is much easier to accidentally break through movement (e.g., walking) with a USB-C adapter than straight-through 3.5mm. I really miss having a 3.5mm output on my phone... | |
| ▲ | ekianjo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > but the real response is "what's wrong with a usb-c to 3.5mm adapter" Easy. You can't charge and listen to your headphones at the same time. | | | |
| ▲ | ssl-3 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > "what's wrong with a usb-c to 3.5mm adapter" Hidden inside of a USB-C to 3.5mm adapter is an entire DAC with a power amplifier for driving headphones. They're complex little things. And like any other bit of active, plug-in electronics: They're not all the same. Some of them are wonderful (Apple's adapter sounds great and don't cost much), but and some of them are terrible. And there's compatibility issues. The combination of an Apple headphone adapter on an Android produces a volume control bug that prevents a person from turning it up even to normal line level output voltages that normal audio equipment expects. And there's functional issues: Want to play some lossless audio in the car or low-latency audio on headphones, and charge your phone at the same time? Good luck with that! (Yeah, there's adapters that have USB C inputs for power, too. They're a mess. And I once popped one as soon as my phone negotiated a 12VDC USB PD mode instead of the 5VDC that the adapter must have been made for. (And no, wireless charging isn't a solution. It's a bandaid for the deliberately-inflicted footgun incident that brought us here to begin with.)) And it's complicated: For a "simple" audio output, we've got USB 2 with a signalling rate of 480Mbps and a power supply, when all we really want is 20Hz-20KHz analog audio with left, right, ground, and (optionally) microphone. And then: It often doesn't work. When I plug the USB C headphone adapter I have into my car and go for a drive, it disconnects sometimes: I observe no physical change, but the device resets, the music stops, and the phone rudely presents a prompt asking me which voice assistant I'd like to use (the answer is, of course, "None" -- it's always "None", but it asks anyway). And then I get to figure out how to make it play music again, which presents either a safety issue or a time-suck issue while I stop somewhere to futz with it. (Oh, right. Did I mention that the electronics in these adapters also include support for control buttons? I guess I glossed over that.) Forcing the use of USB C headphone adapters and their complexities represents a very Rube Goldberg-esque solution to the simple problem of audio interconnection that had already been completely solved for as long as any of us reading this here have been alive. Except: While Rube Goldberg contraptions are usually at least entertaining, this is just inelegant and disdainful. | |
| ▲ | instagib 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If you’re in the low percent running cabled headphones, you probably are also running a headphone amp if necessary or not which uses more cell phone power. Now you need a usb->usb + 3.5mm to keep it charged up or an add on battery. |
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| ▲ | JohnFen 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've never had good luck with bluetooth for listening to music. Too many dropouts and disconnects. | |
| ▲ | Krssst 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In my experience, wired earphones/headphones are better for latency in rythm games. | |
| ▲ | ekianjo 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What wrong with a lossy signal? |
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