| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 7 hours ago |
| Hi HN, OP here. I grew up in "Factory 404," a secret nuclear industrial city in the Gobi Desert that officially didn't exist on public maps. This is a memoir about my childhood there. It was a surreal place: we had elite scientists living next to laborers, a zoo in the middle of the desert, and distinct "communist" welfare, all hidden behind a classified code. This is Part 1 of the story. I'm happy to answer any questions about life in a Chinese nuclear base! |
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| ▲ | yorwba 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Since you mention a trip to Beijing, I wonder what the security precautions were to keep the secret base secret. I assume visitors from other cities would need to apply for a travel permit similar to the one still required for some border areas in Xinjiang and Tibet, but were there also restrictions on people leaving? |
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| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 an hour ago | parent [-] | | That’s a great question. In the early days, physical travel permits were indeed the norm. But the most effective 'security precaution' was psychological. We had secrecy education (保密教育) starting as early as primary school. We were taught from a very young age that our city didn't exist to the outside world, and we simply didn't talk about it. But when I was a kid ,I didn't know anything about 404. |
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| ▲ | moffers 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Was there anything you can recall that 404 maybe had but the rest of China might not have because of its special status? Access to newer consumer technologies, or something like that? Just was curious if there was something “better” about living in a government secret beyond long train rides and melting neighbors. |
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| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 25 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Exactly. To give you some concrete examples that I’ll dive deeper into in Part 2: Soviet Architecture: Many of our residential and administrative buildings were designed and built by Soviet experts, giving the city a distinct 'Stalinist empire' aesthetic that felt very grand compared to the surrounding desert. Elite Salaries: The wage levels in our factory were on par with those in Beijing, which was extraordinary given our remote location. The 'Post-Scarcity' Bubble: For many families, daily expenses were minimal because the 'unit' (Danwei) provided almost everything. We regularly received rations of high-quality rice, flour, and oil as part of our work benefits, so we rarely had to spend money on basic survival. In a country that was still struggling with scarcity, living in 404 felt like living in a futuristic, well-provisioned fortress. Stay tuned for Part 2, where I'll talk more about this 'gilded' lifestyle. |
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| ▲ | thenthenthen 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Thank you for sharing. I have been researching this topic for about ten years now and no first hand accounts like to talk or are they alive anymore, this is a very important story, especially in contrast the the dominant Western narratives, thank you! |
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| ▲ | thomassmith65 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | As often as not, these days, when someone online criticizes the West, it's for something absurd (eg: Churchill interfering with Hitler's continental invasions, or America using the word 'regime' when discussing Iran). Obviously, other times the criticism is wholly justified. What "dominant Western narratives" apply here? I'm not going to bicker. I'm just curious. | |
| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Thank you for this profound comment. It is incredibly humbling to hear this from someone who has spent a decade researching the topic. You are right—the generation that built '404' is aging, and many of their stories are fading into silence. One of my primary motivations for writing this was the realization that if I didn't document these memories now, they might be lost forever. I hope my first-hand account can provide a more nuanced, human layer to the historical data you've gathered. There is so much more to tell beyond the official records. |
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| ▲ | ocfnash 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Thank you for sharing these memories. I'd be very interested to hear any thoughts you might have about Jung Chang's book "Wild Swans". I read this book a year or two ago and learned a lot from it, but I also learned that many people who grew up in China take issue with the author's account. I'd be grateful for any remarks you may be able to share. |
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| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | You’ve touched on a very sensitive and important point. It’s true that many people who grew up in China have a complicated relationship with narratives that focus on negative historical periods. There is often a defensive reaction, a feeling that such stories are 'smearing' the country's image. However, as a writer, I believe that truth is always more important than a curated image. Authentic memories are often scarce, precisely because they are difficult to tell. My goal with the '404' series is to provide a piece of that missing truth—not to judge, but to document a reality that actually existed. In the long run, I believe a society is better served by facing its complex past than by forgetting it. | |
| ▲ | em500 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What are you looking for exactly? And what issues did you hear from others who grew up in China? Most of the historical / political events (Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution) are fairly accurate, while personal / family experiences are necessarily subjective. China is a huge, diverse country with a vast range of experiences from people growing up in different regions and eras (just like the US, or Europe), so it's hard to dispute any personal / family experience. |
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| ▲ | microtonal 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I just wanted to say ‘thank you!’. This was a really interesting read, looking forward to the next part! |
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| ▲ | viktorcode 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Just wanted to say thank you for sharing this view into entirely different world for many of us! |
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| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Thank you for the kind words! It’s been an incredible experience sharing this 'different world' with the HN community today. |
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| ▲ | nrhrjrjrjtntbt 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Thanks Vincent for submitting, this is really fascinating. |
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| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thank you! I will post the second part soon. | | |
| ▲ | grumbelbart 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Stupid question, but is 404 the real designator of that city, or a pun towards the HTTP error code? Edit: And what a great read, thank you! | | |
| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not a stupid question at all! 404 is the real, official designator (Factory 404) established in 1958, long before the web existed. The coincidence with the HTTP error code is purely accidental, yet incredibly poetic—because for decades, this city literally could not be found on any public map. | | |
| ▲ | netsharc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I wonder why 404, any relation to 4 being similar to the word "death" in Chinese? | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | My first guess would be that they at one point decided to use numbers to designate locations instead of names, to make it easier for them to be secret (eg "codenames"). Then at one point someone figured that actually, lets not just thoughtlessly increment the numbers, but pick random numbers between 1-1000 so we add even more confusion. Kind of like Seal Team 6 I guess. | |
| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes,4 sounds similar to death in Chinese. But 404 was just a coincidence. |
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| ▲ | tgv 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well written, and interesting. I'm slightly surprised at the detailed memories you have from such an early age. |
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| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thank you! To me, my childhood memories are imprinted in my mind as vivid images. I'm simply using language to describe the pictures that I still see in my head. |
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| ▲ | hermitcrab 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Very interesting, thank you. |