| ▲ | Growing up in “404 Not Found”: China's nuclear city in the Gobi Desert(substack.com) |
| 104 points by Vincent_Yan404 6 hours ago | 26 comments |
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| ▲ | swe_dima 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| My grandfather, who is a nuclear scientist, and my mom also come from a small closed-off city in Siberia (Russia). Visiting my grandparents I remember we had to go through a sort of border control to get there. My mom told stories of how the government would change the asphalt every year in that city to cover the nuclear dust. |
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| ▲ | tomcam an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My father-in-law worked there as a programmer during the Cultural Revolution. There were always guards on the other side of the (locked) office door. Sometimes they’d shoot at random things to remind the nerds just who was in charge. When I worked at Microsoft the biggest complaints were parking and the variety of subsidized foods at the cafeteria. |
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| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | That's exactly why I wanted to write this story. It is surreal to think that while we worry about parking spots today, a generation of brilliant minds was working under the barrel of a gun (sometimes literally, as you described). The tension between the 'Red' (political) and the 'Expert' (technical) was a defining tragedy of that era. | | | |
| ▲ | eunos an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | There were programmers already during Cultural Revolution in China? | | |
| ▲ | magnio 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | China made its first computer in 1958 and its first 1 megaflop computer in 1973, so yes, their nascence of computer programming preceded the Cultural Revolution, about 10 years after the West. | |
| ▲ | nephihaha 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The so called Cultural Revolution was certainly programming, just not of the computer variety and at massive human cost. | |
| ▲ | p2detar 31 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I could believe it, the timespan should be 1966-1976, so maybe in late 70s. I know a lot of automation software was being written in my Eastern European socialist country in assembly language around 1974. I think mostly for 6800-based chips like probably MOS 6502. |
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| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Hi HN, OP here. I grew up in "Factory 404," a secret nuclear industrial city in the Gobi Desert that officially didn't exist on public maps. This is a memoir about my childhood there. It was a surreal place: we had elite scientists living next to laborers, a zoo in the middle of the desert, and distinct "communist" welfare, all hidden behind a classified code. This is Part 1 of the story. I'm happy to answer any questions about life in a Chinese nuclear base! |
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| ▲ | yorwba 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Since you mention a trip to Beijing, I wonder what the security precautions were to keep the secret base secret. I assume visitors from other cities would need to apply for a travel permit similar to the one still required for some border areas in Xinjiang and Tibet, but were there also restrictions on people leaving? | |
| ▲ | ocfnash 26 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Thank you for sharing these memories. I'd be very interested to hear any thoughts you might have about Jung Chang's book "Wild Swans". I read this book a year or two ago and learned a lot from it, but I also learned that many people who grew up in China take issue with the author's account. I'd be grateful for any remarks you may be able to share. | |
| ▲ | microtonal 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I just wanted to say ‘thank you!’. This was a really interesting read, looking forward to the next part! | |
| ▲ | tgv an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Well written, and interesting. I'm slightly surprised at the detailed memories you have from such an early age. | | |
| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Thank you! To me, my childhood memories are imprinted in my mind as vivid images. I'm simply using language to describe the pictures that I still see in my head. |
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| ▲ | nrhrjrjrjtntbt 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Thanks Vincent for submitting, this is really fascinating. | | |
| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Thank you! I will post the second part soon. | | |
| ▲ | grumbelbart an hour ago | parent [-] | | Stupid question, but is 404 the real designator of that city, or a pun towards the HTTP error code? Edit: And what a great read, thank you! | | |
| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Not a stupid question at all! 404 is the real, official designator (Factory 404) established in 1958, long before the web existed. The coincidence with the HTTP error code is purely accidental, yet incredibly poetic—because for decades, this city literally could not be found on any public map. |
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| ▲ | hermitcrab an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Very interesting, thank you. |
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| ▲ | nephihaha an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 404 does sound a bit like a nightmare posting, and God knows what the adults felt like. They probably couldn't say much. But children see things very differently. I forwarded this on to several people. |
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| ▲ | thatsadude 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Nice read! |
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| ▲ | Havoc an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Cool post! Always interesting to read about people's lived realities that are completely different |
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| ▲ | Vincent_Yan404 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Thank you! It was indeed a unique place to grow up. I'm planning to publish the next chapter shortly, so stay tuned. |
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| ▲ | didntknowyou an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| nice read. interesting experience and great writing. looking forward to the next part. |
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| ▲ | zizon 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > I was born in 1991, thirty years after China’s first atomic bomb explosion, and right around the time of the dissolution of the Soviet Union. I smell cooked |