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How Lewis Carroll computed determinants (2023)(johndcook.com)
129 points by tzury 5 hours ago | 16 comments
esafak 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Arrange the given block, if necessary, so that no ciphers [zeros] occur in its interior.

I forgot that cipher used to have a different meaning: zero, via Arabic. In some languages it means digit.

pinkmuffinere 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

lol I never made that connection — in Turkish, zero is sıfır, which does sound a lot like cipher. Also, password is şifre, which again sounds similar. Looking online, apparently the path is sifr (Arabic, meaning zero) -> cifre (French, first meaning zero, then any numeral, then coded message) -> şifre (Turkish, code/cipher)

cgio an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The Turkish password word may be the same used for signature? I suspect so, because in Greek we have the Greek word for signature but also a Turkish loan word τζίφρα (djifra).

esafak 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

imza is signature while şifre is password. I imagine the conflation occurred because signatures are used like passwords for authentication...

NextHendrix 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Likewise, the monogram of the sitting english monarch (as seen on postboxes and so forth) is the "Royal Cypher".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_cypher

pinkmuffinere 38 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Hmm i don’t think that one is related in Turkish — i only know of “imza” as signature, but there could also be other variants.

celaleddin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nice! Imagine the second meaning going back to Arabic and now it's a full loop! It can even override the original meaning given enough time and popularity (not especially for "zero", but possibly for another full-loop word).

jacquesm 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Dutch too: "Cijfer", German, "Ziffer", French: "Chifre", Spanish: "Cifra".

estomagordo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Swedish: "Siffra"

kazinator 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Dodgson’s original paper from 1867 is quite readable, surprisingly so given that math notation and terminology changes over time.

Given that Jabberwocky is also quite readable, we shouldn't be too astonished.

01jonny01 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When I'm not cognitively depleted from over working and kids I'd really like to sit down and read this properly.

messe 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

HN title filter cut off the initial "How".

You can manually edit it back in.

marcusestes 5 hours ago | parent [-]

“Drop the ‘how.’ It’s cleaner.”

vharuck 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It gives it a different implication. As I read it, an article titled "Lewis Carroll Computed Determinates" has three possible subjects:

1. Literally, Carroll would do matrix math. I know, like many on HN, that he was a mathematician. So this would be a dull and therefore unlikely subject.

2. Carroll invented determinates. This doesn't really fit the timeline of math history, so I doubt it.

3. Carroll computed determinates, and this was surprising. Maybe because we thought he was a bad mathematician, or the method had recently been invented and we don't know how he learned of it. This is slightly plausible.

4. (The actual subject). Carroll invented a method for computing determinates. A mathematician inventing a math technique makes sense, but the title doesn't. It'd be like saying "Newton and Leibnitz Used Calculus." Really burying the lede.

Of course, this could've been avoided had the article not gone with a click-bait style title. A clearer one might've been "Lewis Carroll's Method for Calculating Determinates Is Probably How You First Learned to Do It." It's long, but I'm not a pithy writer. I'm sure somebody could do better.

miltonlost 4 hours ago | parent [-]

"How Lewis Carroll Computed Determinates" is fine and not clickbait because it provides all the pertinent information and is an accurate summary of its contents. Clickbait would be "you would never guess how this author/mathematician computed determinants" since it requires a clickthrough to know who the person is. How is perfectly fine IMO to have in the title because I personally would expect the How to be long enough to warrant a necessary clickthrough due to the otherwise required title length.

867-5309 an hour ago | parent [-]

it's not quite McKean's Law so I'll settle for contagious