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Aurornis 13 hours ago

> - You can actually buy the drug here: https://focusbiomolecules.com/p7c3-a20-nampt-activator-prone... It's a simple small molecule. If this stuff works, expect it to be everywhere within just a couple of years.

There are numerous chemical supply companies that will list chemicals like this “for sale”. They might not have it in stock but they hope they’ll get your search traffic and be able to synthesize it if you place an order.

If you look at the amounts, they’re tiny. I don’t know the doses that would be used in humans but typically ordering from chemical supply shops would be economically infeasible for just about any drug. These are meant for one-off studies and experiments, not ongoing human use.

There have been a growing number of online groups arranging to do group buys of synthesized experimental drugs based on studies. I’ve followed a few of them and the results range from people losing their money, receiving product that is too contaminated to use, or in some cases they go to great lengths to verify the chemical but then discover it doesn’t do what the original study promised it would do. In some of the more horrifying cases I’ve seen forum posts from people reporting long lasting chest pains from one chemical, and another chemical was sending people into psychosis. So if (when) these chemicals start appearing on group buy sites I suggest ignoring it until more research is done. Making yourself into a lab rat is not a good idea.

RobotToaster an hour ago | parent | next [-]

There have been a growing number of online groups arranging to do group buys of synthesized experimental drugs based on studies...

There's also a good number of cases of people getting exactly what they ordered. There's been a thriving market for Retatrutide, ozempic's more powerful younger brother, for years despite it not being approved yet.

Also, people with Alzheimer's don't have the luxury of being able to wait 20 years for it to be approved.

esperent 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> If you look at the amounts, they’re tiny. I don’t know the doses that would be used in humans but typically ordering from chemical supply shops would be economically infeasible for just about any drug. These are meant for one-off studies and experiments, not ongoing human use

I didn't get the impression that the person above was suggesting actually buying it here, but rather just pointing out that if it does prove effective in human trials, it's going to become cheaply and easily available since it's already possible to order online for research.

jokowueu 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was actually researching this yesterday for a groupbuy, the synth is chromatography-free which means gram scale production is possible with much less cost than expected .

https://utsouthwestern.elsevierpure.com/en/publications/deve...

chasil 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There appears to be some danger in using NAD+ without the supervision of an experienced physician.

"Pieper emphasized that current over-the-counter NAD+-precursors have been shown in animal models to raise cellular NAD+ to dangerously high levels that promote cancer."

digitaltrees 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Most people with Alzheimer’s are older and would probably trade having their cognitive abilities back even with increased risk of cancer

timr 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Depends entirely on the stage of the disease and the aggressiveness of the cancer! Getting an aggressive brain cancer when you had early stage Alzheimer’s [1] would be tragic. The tradeoff would be years of life.

For the record, I have no idea what the actual risk tradeoff is, but the point of regulation is that nobody does. You can’t have informed consent when you can’t be informed.

[1] Aside: Alzheimer’s is relatively early stage, as dementias go. It’s frequently diagnosed by onset in younger people.

Aurornis 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The chemical the parent comment linked is different.

NAD itself isn’t usually supplemented because it’s broken down by your digestive system. So NAD precursor supplements have been available for a while: NR and NMN specifically. These are the precursors they were talking about.

The actual drug used in this study has a different mechanism of action. It’s not directly available as a supplement, but like the parent commenter discovered you could technically find a chemical supply house to synthesize a tiny quantity of it.