> windows and macos cant even do proper window managing for a start

Well they certainly manage them better than x11 and wayland. What a fucking nuts thing to say. Are you rms?

Windows is reasonably OK, but MacOS' window management has always been really terrible.

Just think through the many different iterations over the years of what the green button on the deco does, which still isn't working consistently, same as double-clicking the title bar. Not to mention that whatever the Maximize-alike is that you can set title bar double click too (the options being Zoom and Fill, buried in settings somewhere) is different from dragging the title bar against the top of the screen and chosing single tile. Which is different from Control-Clicking the green button. Maybe. It depends on the app.

What a mess.

Both of them miss (without add-ons) convenience niche features I cherish, such as the ability to pin arbitrary windows on-top, but at least the basics in Windows work alright and moreover predictably and reliabily. Window management in MacOS just feels neglected and broken.

There may be many other ways in which MacOS shines as a desktop OS, and certainly in terms of display server tech it has innovated by going compositing first, but the window manager is bizarrely bad.

	▲	MangoToupe 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Windows is reasonably OK, Doesn't windows conflate window and process? That should kick it to the bottom of the bin by default. > There may be many other ways in which MacOS shines as a desktop OS May I suggest examining why your keyboard has a "home" key

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Arch-TK 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't use a Mac, but have you ever used Windows?

I mean, maybe you have, but if you are not fussy then at worst MacOS is quirky and Windows and Linux are identical and merely have different icons.

If you pay a little bit of attention you will notice that on linux things seem more flexible and intuitive.

If you are very finnicky, there is nothing that comes close to X11 window managers when it comes to window management flexibility, innovation and power.

	▲	II2II 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Windows allows you to launch applications from a menu or via search. You can switch between windows with a mouse or keyboard shortcuts. Windows can either be floating, arranged in pseudo-tiled layers, or full screen. KDE can pretty much do the same under Wayland. Ditto for Gnome under Wayland, albeit to a lesser degree. That covers the bases for most people. X11 window managers were a mixed bag. While there were a few standouts, most of the variation was in the degree to which they could be configured and how they were configured. There may be fewer compositors for Wayland because of the difficulty in developing them, but the ones that do exist do standout.
	▲	MangoToupe 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> and Windows and Linux are identical and merely have different icons At least on this we can agree, but windows never had to reboot the window server in my experience