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gkoberger 4 hours ago

This is cool, but it will almost definitely never end up in a park, outside of some promotional situations.

Disney's been doing awesome work with "Living Characters", like a Mickey that moves his mouth or a BB-8 that can roll around. But for various reasons, they never tend to make it into regular usage.

If you have a few hours over Christmas break and want to watch a 4 hour YouTube video (I promise if you're on HN on a Sunday, you'll be delighted by it), I highly highly recommend this video:

"Disney's Living Characters: A Broken Promise" by Defunctland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyIgV84fudM

this_user 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A lot of it just seems to be marketing. Present the shiny new toy, get the news headlines, people book their stays, and then it doesn't really matter if they ever actually make it into the parks.

makeitdouble an hour ago | parent | next [-]

We're probably looking at a halo effect ?

Similar to concept car demoed at trade shows, we get an idea of Disney's technical engagement, and some of it will perhaps in some way or form get applied into future products/attractions.

hamdingers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The term for that is false advertising.

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chroma205 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> The term for that is false advertising.

No different than Elon Musk claiming self-driving will be deployed to all Teslas in 2017; 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026.

sharkweek 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Amazon drone delivery comes to mind…

gkoberger 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Eh, maybe. I have a less myopic view... I think their Imagineers just like pushing the envelope, and there's a difference between awesome tech vs things that can withstand the wear-and-tear of millions of guests.

Nothing about all that tech makes me think Olaf could withstand a hug from an excited kid.

Disney does a ton of R&D that doesn't directly make it into the parks, such as smokeless fireworks (they donated the patent for this) and their holotile floor (basically an endless VR room you can walk around). I imagine they don't know the practicality at the start, like any good R&D.

hamdingers an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Each time they trot out one of these new robots they strongly imply, if not outright promise, that they will become part of the parks[1], that's the problem. Things like HoloTile are accurately marketed which makes me believe it's a choice they're making with the character robots.

1. The article states "he’s soon making his debut at Disney parks," which is misleading to a casual reader who may not realize that Olaf will only appear on the day of his debut.

3seashells an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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mattv8 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

4 hours is an awfully big investment... Especially for those of us with multiple young kids and who no longer own their own free time. Care to give the gist?

Melonai 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Defunctland is genuinely amazing and always a fun watch, and I never regret the time spent on their videos, they're kind of like a special occasion... though they're getting incredibly long... :)

There are a few older shorter videos in the half hour range, I highly recommend checking them out if you find some quiet time! (It's awfully hard for me too in recent times, I haven't gotten around to watch the Living Characters one myself, so I can't give the gist... I'm just glad I got the holidays off to finally catch up!)

gkoberger 3 hours ago | parent [-]

For anyone who DOES have time, this one is amazing: it combines broadcast history, Disney Channel nostalgia, and a genuinely beautiful storyline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_rjBWmc1iQ

lazystar 2 hours ago | parent [-]

and for anyone with 4 hours to kill... here's as an incredible documentary covering the misaligned incentives and poor guest experience at the now-shuttered Disney Star Wars hotel.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=T0CpOYZZZW4

She covers everything - the line getting in to the hotel, the size + cost of the rooms in comparison with the same size/cost on a Disney cruise ship, and theories on why the experience was so poor.

robbiet480 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Jenny Nicholsen is as excellent as Kevin Perjurer’s Defunctland. I highly recommend both.

gkoberger 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The basic gist is that while the tech is cool, it just ends up being impractical for regular use in the parks. (But like the other poster mentioned, with Defunctland it's less about the tldr and more about the journey and fascinating segues he takes)

Totally get it's difficult to make time with kids, but depending on your kids ages... the video shows a LOT of Disney characters talking and doing things and the videos are colorful, so it could work as something you can listen to and they won't mind having play in the background!

crooked-v 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One of the key reasons is that it would be really, really easy to accidentally injure parkgoers with any design big enough to interact with and engineered well enough to be reliable in a full day of appearances.

For example, the working WALL-E robot that's made a handful of PR appearances weighs seven hundred pounds. They absolutely can't risk that ever running across some kid's foot.

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apparent 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why do you say this? I don't have 4 hours right now and would appreciate a TLDR.

jen20 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

I worked with someone who had previously worked on park robotics, and apparently they had to guarantee that the character could not injure a child to be able to put them in parks - a particularly high barrier to actually doing so.

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Mickey that moves his mouth

The Disney wiki has a pretty comprehensive list of usages for the "articulated heads". It's more than I remember it being.

https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Disney_Characters%27_Articula...

jfoster 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They literally sell BB-8 toys that can roll around and say on the blog that the Olaf robot is coming to Disneyland Paris and special appearances at Disneyland Hong Kong.

gkoberger 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I know there’s BB-8 toys, but I’m talking about the version meant for the parks: https://youtu.be/RDgZjdZsc6g

Much like Olaf (and many before him… dinosaurs, WALL-E, talking characters, etc), it was implied he’d wander around the parks. But it tends to happen for a short amount of time, mostly for events, and fade away quickly. (The blog post even says that: Olaf will be part of a 15 minute temporary show, and then will visit Hong Kong).

Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve seen this exact thing happen a dozen times over the past 20+ years. Watch the video I posted if you want to learn more!

mrandish 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

> But it tends to happen for a short amount of time, mostly for events

I expect you're correct. While it's fantastic tech, it's also very expensive to keep highly-precise, carefully calibrated micro-machinery like this aligned and operating 12+ hours a day outdoors where temps vary from 50-110 degrees.

While there's probably little that's more magical for a kid than coming across an expressively alive-seeming automaton operating in a free-form, uncontrolled environment, the cost is really high per audience member. Once there are 25 people crowded around, no new kid can see what all the commotion is about. That's why these kind of high-operating cost things tend to be found in stage and ride contexts.

ohyoutravel 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

R2D2 is an example of one that you can buy in the gift shop (for $20k!) that was promised to make it into the park but just comes out highly supervised, occasionally.