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| ▲ | Anarch157a 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Countries with sane laws include a tolerance limit to take into account flaws in speedometers and radars. Here in Brazil, the tolerance is 10%, so tickets clearly state "driving at speed 10% above limit". | | |
| ▲ | PunchyHamster 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | and the rules of the contest did not include any sane boundaries. Like, using automatic lipsync is "generative AI", should that be banned ? Do we really want to fight with that purely work-saving feature ? | | |
| ▲ | Sabinus 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Apparently not. Because creatives haven't instigated a moral crusade against that type of automated work. | |
| ▲ | jackothy 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | All AI features are purely work saving |
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| ▲ | craftkiller 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That is not sane, it is dumb. With such a system, you have signs that say "100" but the actual speed limit is "110" and everyone knows the actual speed limit is "110" but they all have to do mental math to reach that conclusion. Just make the sign say the real speed limit instead of lying to you. It's like Spinal Tap wrote your laws. | | |
| ▲ | Alcor 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s not dumb, it’s accounting for real world variance in car speedometer accuracy and possible inaccuracies in the measurement process, just because your car is telling you you went 98 or the speed camera is telling you you went 101 doesn’t mean that was the actual speed of your car at the moment. | | |
| ▲ | craftkiller 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | Speed limits are limits, not targets. That's why they're called speed *limits*. You account for variance in the speedometer and the reading device by staying under the limit, not treating it as a target. | | |
| ▲ | Alcor 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I hope this does not come across as antagonistic but isn’t this then another form of mental math again? "I’m actually not allowed to drive the number on the sign but I’m also not allowed to drive a speed within the margin of error so I could be falsely accused of speeding." The other way around seems more clear in a legal sense to me because we want to prove with as little doubt as possible that the person actually went above the speed limit. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. So we accept people speeding a little to not falsely convict someone. | | |
| ▲ | Macha 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | So your speedo reads 100 km/h in a 100km/h hour zone. The intention is that you just treat that as a sign that you're at the limit and don't go faster. Yes, you _could_ do some mental math and figure out that your speedometer is probably calibrated with some buffer room on the side of overreporting your speed, so you're probably actually doing 96km/h and you know you probably won't get dinged if you're dong 105km/h so you "know" you can probably do 110km/h per your speedometer when the sign is 100km/h. Or you could just not. And that's the intention. The buffers are in there to give people space for mistakes, not as something to rely on to eke 10% more speed out of. And if you start to rely on that buffer and get caught on it, that's on you. |
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| ▲ | sokoloff 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As a driver, I control my speed for a variety of factors, but I assume no responsibility for the variance in the speed checking device. That’s on the people deploying them to ensure they’ve done their job (and is part of the reason tickets aren’t issued for 1kph/1mph over in most jurisdictions). | |
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| ▲ | culturestate 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > That is not sane, it is dumb. I understand where you’re coming from, but it’s perfectly sane if your legal system recognizes and accepts that speed detection methodologies have a defined margin of error; every ticket issued for speeding within that MoE would likely be (correctly) rejected by a court if challenged. The buffer means, among other things, that you don’t have to bog down your traffic courts with thousands of cases that will be immediately thrown out. | | |
| ▲ | craftkiller 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | So the sign says "100", the police read your speed at "112" but the device has a 5% MoE and in this case your actual speed was 107. Seems like you have exactly the same problem because the laws state the actual speed limit was "110" which you are under, despite being over the posted limit and the police reading you as over both the real and posted limits. | | |
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| ▲ | fluxusars 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You will literally get a fine for going three miles per hour over the speed limit in many countries. | | |
| ▲ | af78 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | True, however the penalty depends on the amount by which the threshold was crossed; in the country I live in at least. | |
| ▲ | LadyCailin 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think the metaphor here would be more like getting your license permanently suspended for going 3 mph over. Whether that happens anywhere or not in reality, the point is, it would be an absurd overreaction. | | |
| ▲ | queenkjuul 13 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not getting the "didn't go over the speed limit" award when you did in fact go over the speed limit shouldn't be a big deal to anyone. Nobody is preventing the studio from working, or from continuing to make (ostensibly) tons of money from their acclaimed game. Their game didn't meet the requirements for one particular GOTY award, boo hoo |
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| ▲ | baobun 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sure, but maybe you you shouldn't be surprised to be disqualified from that "Best Drive of the Year" award as you do. | |
| ▲ | itishappy 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Sometimes shit happens" should be viable in a courtroom sometimes, but by nature competition rules leave less room for interpretation. | |
| ▲ | latexr 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Sometimes shit happens. But you’re also not supposed to drive as close to the speed limit as possible. That number is not a target to hit, it’s a wall you should stay within a good margin of. I understand analogies are seldom flawless, but the speed limit one in particular I feel does not apply because you can get a fine proportional to your infraction (go over the limit a little bit, small fine; go over it a lot, big fine) but you can’t partially retract an award, it’s all or nothing. | | |
| ▲ | whatevaa 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, everybody treats speed limit as expected speed as long as conditions allows it. | | |
| ▲ | latexr 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Whether “everyone does it” has no bearing on it being what should be done. Most people also speed up on yellow lights, but you should be doing the exact opposite. | | |
| ▲ | vulcan01 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | This depends on the country. In certain countries, speed limits are set by civil engineers as a true upper limit that one is not supposed to exceed. In others, speed limits are set slightly above the average speed one is expected to drive at. In the former sort of country, drivers are expected to use their judgement and often drive slower than the limit. In the latter sort of country, driving at the speed limit is rather... limiting, thus it is common to see drivers slightly exceeding the speed limit. (I have a theory in my head that – in general – the former sort of country has far stricter licensing laws than the latter. I am not sure if this is true.) | | |
| ▲ | ghaff 16 hours ago | parent [-] | | The problem I have with the whole "licensing standards" thing is that, for everyday activities for most of the population, it's not realistic to regulate to the point that there are really substantial barriers to entry to the degree there are for flying in general. And experience probably counts for more than making people shell out a couple thousand more for courses. | | |
| ▲ | vulcan01 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | The usual argument in favor of stricter licensing is coupled with improvement in public transit. | | |
| ▲ | ghaff 15 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which is really going to help me living 50 miles outside a major city. (Which is considered urban according to the US Census.) |
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