| ▲ | mentalgear 19 hours ago |
| Some researchers proposed using, instead of the term "AI", the much more fitting "self-parametrising probabilistic model" or just advanced auto-complete - that would certainly take the hype-inducing marketing PR away. |
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| ▲ | pavlov 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| That’s like arguing that washing machines should be called rapid-rotation water agitators. It’s the result that consumers are interested in, not the mechanics of how it’s achieved. Software engineers are often extraordinarily bad at seeing the difference because they’re so interested in the implementation details. |
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| ▲ | kylebyte 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The problem is that intelligence isn't the result, or at the very least the ideas that word evokes in people don't match the actual capabilities of the machine. Washing is a useful word to describe what that machine does. Our current setup is like if washing machines were called "badness removers," and there was a widespread belief that we were only a few years out from a new model of washing machine being able to cure diseases. | | |
| ▲ | lxgr 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Arguably there isn't even a widely shared, coherent definition of intelligence: To some people, it might mean pure problem solving without in-task learning; others equate it with encyclopedic knowledge etc. Given that, I consider it quite possible that we'll reach a point where even more people will consider LLMs having reached or surpassed AGI, while others still only consider it "sufficiently advanced autocomplete". | | |
| ▲ | kylebyte 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'd believe this more if companies weren't continuing to use words like reason, understand, learn, and genius when talking about these systems. I buy that there's disagreement on what intelligence means in the enthusiast space, but "thinks like people" is pretty clearly the general understanding of the word, and the one that tech companies are hoping to leverage. |
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| ▲ | edanm 13 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What about letting customers actually try the products and figure out for themselves what it does and whether that's useful to them? I don't understand this mindset that because someone stuck the label "AI" on it, consumers are suddenly unable to think for themselves. AI as a marketing label has been used for dozens of years, yet only now is it taking off like crazy. The word hasn't change - what it's actually capable of doing has. | | |
| ▲ | gudii2 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | > What about letting customers actually try the products and figure out for themselves what it does and whether that's useful to them? Yikes. I’m guessing you’ve never lost anyone to “alternative” medical treatments. |
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| ▲ | potsandpans 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Please define intelligence |
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| ▲ | ForHackernews 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'd be mad if washing machines were marketed as a "robot maid" | | |
| ▲ | heresie-dabord 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Washer" and "dryer" are accepted colloquial terms for these appliances. I could even see the humour in "washer-bot" and "dryer-bot" if they did anything notably more complex. But we don't need/want appliances to become more complex than is necessary. We usually just call such things programmable. I can accept calling our new, over-hyped, hallucinating overlords chatbots. But to be fair to the technology, it is we chatty humans doing all the hyping and hallucinating. The market capitalisation for this sector is sickly feverish — all we have done is to have built a significantly better ELIZA [1]. Not a HIGGINS and certainly not AGI. If this results in the construction of new nuclear power facilities, maybe we can do the latter with significant improvement too. (I hope.) My toaster and oven will never be bots to me. Although my current vehicle is better than earlier generations, it contains plenty of bad code and it spews telemetry. It should not be trusted with any important task. [1] _ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA | |
| ▲ | pavlov 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A woman from 1825 would probably happily accept that description though (notwithstanding that the word “robot” wasn’t invented yet). A machine that magically replaces several hours of her manual work? As far as she’s concerned, it’s a specialized maid that doesn’t eat at her table and never gets sick. | | |
| ▲ | auggierose 19 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Machines do get "sick" though, and they eat electricity. | | |
| ▲ | pavlov 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | Negligible cost compared to a real maid in 1825. The washing machine also doesn’t get pregnant by your teenage son and doesn’t run away one night with your silver spoons — the upkeep risks and replacement costs are much lower. | | |
| ▲ | ljlolel 15 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They do and will randomly kill people | | | |
| ▲ | auggierose 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In 1825 both electricity prices and replacement costs would have been unaffordable for anyone, though. Because there was literally no prize you could pay to get these things. |
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| ▲ | watwut 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | 19 century washing machines were called washing/mangling machines. They were not called maids nor personified. | |
| ▲ | omnimus 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Shame we are in 2025 huh? Ask someone today if they accept washing machine as robot maid. | | |
| ▲ | pavlov 19 hours ago | parent [-] | | The point is that, as far as development of AI is concerned, 2025 consumers are in the same position as the 1825 housewife. In both cases, automation of what was previously human labor is very early and they’ve seen almost nothing yet. I agree that in the year 2225 people are not going to consider basic LLMs artificial intelligences, just like we don’t consider a washing machine a maid replacement anymore. |
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| ▲ | h0rmelchilly 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | jononor 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Businesses are interested in something that can work for them. And the way the LLM based agentic systems are going, it might actually deliver on "Automated Knowledge Workers". Probably not with full autonomy, but in teams lead by a human. The human needs to tend the AKW, much like we do with washing machines and industrial automation machines. | |
| ▲ | dgeiser13 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Current "AI" is the manual washboard. |
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| ▲ | attendant3446 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The term "AI" didn't make sense from the beginning, but I guess it sounded cool and that's why everything is "AI" now. And I doubt it will change, regardless of its correctness. |
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| ▲ | chimprich 17 hours ago | parent [-] | | John McCarthy coined the term "Artificial Intelligence" in the 1950s. I doubt he was trying to be cool. The whole field of research involved in getting computers to do intelligent things has been referred to as AI for many decades. |
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| ▲ | ponector 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I prefer Tesla's approach to call their adaptive cruise control "FSD (supervised)". AI (supervised). |
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| ▲ | red75prime 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's a nice naming, fellow language-capable electrobiochemical autonomous agent. |
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| ▲ | dist-epoch 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The proof of Riemann hypothesis is [....autocomplete here...] |
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| ▲ | metalman 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| AI is intermitent wipers, for words,
and the two are completly tied, as the perfect test for AI, will be to run intermitent wipers, to everybodys satisfaction. |