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michaelteter a day ago

This seems like an intentionally misleading title, since they don't mention that the study was for one county (Montgomery County) in Ohio, which is basically just Dayton, OH and surrounding rural area - < 600k people.

I'm sure you can pick other counties in the US which have either very high representation of THC users or very low representations. Without knowing how other counties score in terms of driver fatalities and THC, this is not really very useful.

To me it sounds like an effort to paint THC as big and scary. But in my experience living in a few large cities, weed is rare - but lots of people go out, drink, and drive home one or more times per week.

ScienceDaily goes even further by rounding up to 50% and burying the location halfway down the summarization.

"Nearly half of drivers killed in crashes had THC in their blood THC-impaired driving deaths are soaring, and legalization hasn’t slowed the trend. Date: October 5, 2025 Source: American College of Surgeons Summary: Over 40% of fatal crash victims had THC levels far above legal limits, showing cannabis use before driving remains widespread. The rate didn’t drop after legalization, suggesting policy changes haven’t altered risky habits. Experts warn that the lack of public awareness around marijuana’s dangers behind the wheel is putting lives at risk."

Unless they publish who funded the study, I'm skeptical that the alcohol industry might be involved. It's absolutely in their best interest to paint marijuana as the devil (and take attention away from alcohol).

Obviously nobody should be driving with any impairment, but people do - driving tired, texting, even talking to passengers and turning their heads to look at the passengers while they talk! (Really, why??? I see people doing this all the time.)

nateb2022 a day ago | parent | next [-]

To give some statistical context, as of 2023, about 16.11% of people in the US have used cannabis in the past year; per that same dataset, about 16.53% of Ohio residents. [1] Given that Ohio’s usage metrics align closely with the national mean, I think it's fair to use the state as a proxy for broader domestic trends.

Per more Pew Research data, also from 2023, Ohio seems to have an average, if not a less than average, concentration of cannabis dispensaries, compared to other states where CBD products were legal. Montgomery County, OH is located in the bottom-left quarter of Ohio, and sits in a region with lower dispensary density than many comparable U.S. districts. [2]

Given that usage metrics mirror the national mean despite a lower-than-average retail presence, I think this dataset is a pretty fair "middle america" benchmark.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/723822/cannabis-use-with... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/29/most-amer...

nialse a day ago | parent | next [-]

You cannot pick and choose one or two variables and then claim representativeness based on a numerical match. The first step is to identify the confounding variables that are likely to influence the outcome. Only after those are specified a comparison set can be defined and matching or adjustment criteria applied. Without that process, agreement on a small number of aggregate measures does not establish that the underlying populations or mechanisms are comparable.

nateb2022 14 hours ago | parent [-]

I'll concede this, however in large-scale demographic data, when the central tendencies of two populations align so closely, it is statistically unlikely that their underlying distributions are radically different. It puts the burden of proof on the idea that Ohio is somehow an outlier, rather than the idea that it's a standard sample. Otherwise, were we to attempt to account for every confounding variable, we would be letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

illiac786 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Thanks for the data. While it does need more cross referencing it would indicated that deceased drivers are more than twice as likely to have traces of THC. We need to eliminate non-drivers but I think the proportion of drivers with traces of THC will remain higher with drivers than in the overall population.

Next, same stat for alcohol, that would be interesting.

Maybe adapt the THC threshold a bit to really only count people who recently consumed THC.

lelanthran a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I'm skeptical that the alcohol industry might be involved.

So you don't think that the alcohol industry is involved?

EnPissant a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You think 40% of the people in that area have THC in their system?

Of course you don't. So why make this argument?

Are you funded by Big Cannabis™?

tsunamifury a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You sound like the people who were outraged when drinking and driving was first banned. They had all sorts of made up logic to get around wanting to consistently being a hazard to others.

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alfiedotwtf a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Upvoted!

I’ve applied this same rule when reading news or watching tv - if your immediate reaction is shock, surprise, or anger, think of a list of organisations who would monetarily benefit [1] from that article or show etc.

Nobody does a news story for the fun of it unless it genuinely IS news, but it’s been shown [2] that over 70% is PR pieces trying to make you think one way or another.

[1] money talks, and bullshit walks

[2] Australia’s Media Watch ran a piece about this a few years ago

illiac786 21 hours ago | parent [-]

The news outlet makes money if it’s shocking or surprising, you don’t have to search any further. Your logic is flawed here I believe.

stuffn a day ago | parent | prev [-]

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cluckindan 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You may have broken the record of fallacies per inch there.

Ylpertnodi 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"Weed addicts".