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Sharlin 2 days ago

It's incredible how quickly such obvious hostility as plans to incite what amounts to secession in a putatively friendly, allied sovereign entity has become normalized and ho-hum.

pphysch 2 days ago | parent [-]

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neoromantique 2 days ago | parent [-]

This is not Russia Today.

quotz 2 days ago | parent [-]

Here’s the source from the guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/06/us-ukraine-rus...

neoromantique 2 days ago | parent [-]

>"an architect of the Ukraine crisis".

Architect of the Ukraine crisis is Russian armed forces crossing the border and occupying the land, everything else is irrelevant.

locknitpicker 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

> Architect of the Ukraine crisis is Russian armed forces crossing the border and occupying the land, everything else is irrelevant.

Russia's hostility towards Ukraine starts well before the 2022 invasion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_war

neoromantique 2 days ago | parent [-]

We are discussing 2014. Russian armed forces were present there from the get-go, and hybrid approaches were there long before 2014 too.

stinkbeetle a day ago | parent [-]

Was that when Obama capitulated to Putin and permitted him to annex Crimea? Perhaps that was the "more flexibility" that he secretly promised Putin he would have after his election. I wonder what he got in return for it.

neoromantique 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I don't disagree? Merkel and Obama both.

quotz 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

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neoromantique a day ago | parent [-]

Fuck the eu in that context, EU showed weakness, it got us war.

quotz a day ago | parent [-]

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mopsi a day ago | parent [-]

... says the Russian war propaganda.

In the real world, NATO is a highly exclusive club, which is very reluctant to accept new members and extend its mutual defence clause to them. Ukraine and Georgia sought to join NATO after Russia had already begun violating their sovereign territory, but NATO allies caved to Russian pressure and denied membership to both Georgia and Ukraine. Russia then used this opportunity to invade them without triggering the full arsenal of NATO.

Russia is not a cornered cat, but a nuclear-armed colonial empire that has expanded through war and conquest for centuries, growing from a small city-state into the largest country in the world, exterminating countless native ethnicities in the process:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/Te...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia

quotz 20 hours ago | parent [-]

The colonialist argument you are debating is not adequate, you can say the same for the whole Western bloc. You can even say the same for NATO [1].

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/INTERAC...

mopsi 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes it is, and Russia is increasingly being recognized by scholars as such.

This is especially visible in the war against Ukraine, which is colonial in nature. Russia has invaded another country on imperialistic justifications ("reunification of Russian lands" etc), is using domestic minorities as cannon fodder to alter the ethnic composition of Russia in favor of Russians, is committing genocide against Ukrainians to destroy them as an ethnicity, and is resettling ethnic Russians into occupied territories to permanently alter Ukraine's ethnic composition.

The whole "NATO expansion" narrative is complete bullshit when the initiative to join NATO has come from Russia's neighbors, who want to gain the protection of its mutual defense clause in the hope that this would deter Russia from invading them.

Russia has been the aggressor in this part of the world for centuries, and the rest is a reaction to that. Russia is the sole reason why Northern and Eastern Europe have militaries at all; if it weren't for Russia, they could be disbanded overnight.