> from people who believe the tools are useless, the output is always unusable, people who mock any idea that operator skill has an impact on LLM output

You are attacking a strawman. Almost nobody claims that LLMs are useless or you can never use their output.

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Aurornis 2 days ago | parent [-]

Those claims are all throughout this thread and in replies to my comments.

It’s not a strawman. It’s everywhere on HN.

	▲	Hendrikto a day ago \| parent [-]
		Such as? Currently, the top comments are > LLMs have certainly become extremely useful for Software Engineers > LLMs are useful for programming in 2025 > Do LLMs make bad code: yes all the time (at the moment zero clue about good architecture). Are they still useful: yes, extremely so. If your comment is not a strawman, show me where people actually claim what you say they do.