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Webb observes exoplanet that may have an exotic helium and carbon atmosphere(science.nasa.gov)
115 points by taubek 3 days ago | 29 comments
Meneth 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Paper on which the article is based: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/2041-8213/ae157c

"A Carbon-rich Atmosphere on a Windy Pulsar Planet", PSR J2322–2650b.

No one bothered to link to it, but fortunately Google picked it up.

7373737373 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Coming up around 2041 (hopefully) will be the https://habitableworldsobservatory.org - which will be the first telescope sensitive enough to detect Earth-like exoplanets around Sun-like stars! Check out the "Simulated Observation of the Solar System" video toward the bottom of that page, coolest thing I've seen in a while!

MarkusQ 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The artist's conception, with Jupiter-like bands running at an angle through the principle tidal axis really bugs me. If there's some bizarre mechanism that makes this even remotely plausible, it ought to have been explained. If (as I think is more likely) it's just a case of someone who didn't understand the article commissioning and approving and illustration by someone else who didn't understand it... why? Why even bother? It would be clearer with no illustration than with a misleading picture.

(The worst example of this I've seen was a few years back, when CNN briefly used a picture of a cow to "illustrate" an article about coconut milk).

andrewflnr an hour ago | parent [-]

What angle? The cloud bands are running at right angles to the terminator and roughly parallel to the axis of tidal stretching. Are you looking at "Image B"? That one might look a like tricky, but it's just because you're looking a bit upwards at one of the poles, so you can see the curvature of the cloud bands around the planet.

Now, would clouds around such a weird planet take such a familiar shape? I doubt it. But going with that familiar shape is probably better then making up something weird to happen at the stretched ends.

hamilyon2 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are chemiseries and metabolisms out there beyond our wildest imaginations

pfdietz 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Kyplanet had a video on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7pu0Dhu87o

pokstad 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

“Stripped stellar core” is a crazy concept I could never come up with on my own. A literal diamond in the sky.

echelon 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Great video!

What a weird setup.

I love all of this crazy stuff we've been finding recently. And not that this planet could support it, but I also love what this unexpected diversity in planetary bodies means for the possibility of weird and unpredictable formulas for life.

I hope we keep finding crazy stuff like this. I hope it accelerates. I hope we find life soon. I need it.

jondwillis 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hopefully we find evidence for post-great-filter life too…

mikkupikku 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Earth life may already be post-filter.

Also, I would bet on there being lots of little filters rather than one great one. Stack a dozen or so independent filters that only 1% of upstart life can develop through, and you can easily explain the apparent absence of life capable of broadcasting their existence, making life as developed as humanity extremely rare.

Maybe only 1% of stellar systems are arranged appropriately with a Jovian planet to sweep the inner system clean of killer comets and meteors. Maybe the conditions for unicellular life only occur on 1% of nominally terrestrial worlds. Maybe only 1% of unicellular life develops in a way that has a hereditary mechanism that is susceptible to random mutation, so evolution has something to work with. Maybe the jump from unicellular to multicellular is extremely unlikely to occur; it did take billions of years on Earth after all, its clearly not something that you can count on happening a week later. And maybe the chance that multicellular life develops in a direction that will eventually develop animals capable of making advanced tools is extremely rare too. Real life evolution isn't like a game of Spore, it's not a computer game with a defined goal that some force is working towards. Evolution likes robust reproducers like bugs a lot more than it likes clever monkeys. Maybe when intelligent animals do happen to evolve, they, like dolphins or octopus or corvids, almost always lack the physical characteristics necessary to put their brains towards the problem of the scientific method and industrialization. Maybe when such species even do exist, they usually socially stagnate in preindustrial times, as humanity did for a long time, and get stuck there because their culture values social stability more than innovation. Maybe only 1% manage to not nuke themselves out of existence within a few years of inventing nukes.

Stack a few of these sort of considerations up, and before long Fermi's "paradox" stops seeming very paradoxical.

neom 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You can generate arbitrarily low probabilities for anything by stacking arbitrary fractions. If evolution has no goal, then the absence of radio loud civilizations does not demand explanation, it is only paradoxical if you implicitly believe that intelligence plus technology is a natural attractor state.

mikkupikku 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, agreed. Furthermore, high tech tool makers not being a goal of evolution is certain, not merely a supposition, there's no anthropomorphic force driving life in that direction. The natural attractor states of evolution can safely be assumed to be the niches evolution has repeatedly discovered and recreated on Earth numerous times, the cases of convergent evolution. If we were digging up fossils of technology created a hundred million years ago by a high tech species of birds or something, and more from another period from yet another totally different lineage, that would substantially change the math. But all the evidence on Earth points to a species like ours being a very rare thing for evolution to create.

neom 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Agree. And also: The universe contains multiple substrates, degrees of freedom, organizational proprties etc that could support advanced intelligence while being effectively totally invisible to a species/civilization like ours.

GoblinSlayer 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Great filter might involve harsh tradeoffs like "no stupidity allowed". Do you really want to know it?

echelon 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Speaking of "great filter", I often wonder about the hypothetical case that we live in a fragile universe.

Whatever the first civilization is to cause something like vacuum collapse could destroy the entire universe at the speed of light. Maybe it's already happened somewhere and is currently propagating our way.

datameta 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe it even is happening but will never reach us from their local observable sphere.

gerad 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Guess it's good that space expands faster than the speed of light.

exe34 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

if you haven't read Schild's ladder, you're in for a treat :-D

exe34 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

you might like dragon's egg! intelligence on a neutron star.

yk 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pretty cool, or more probable hot. Though I highly doubt it is something resembling a planet up close, it is more likely some kind of remnant from forming the neutron star that just happened to have the right size and ended up in the right orbit to show up in exoplanet surveys.

viraptor 12 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What the HeC?

dcminter 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wonder if there are bucky balls full of helium hanging out under pressure in there?

gus_massa 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I found this similar idea done in a lab: https://cen.acs.org/articles/83/i3/Filling-Fullerene.html

They use H2 instead of He. Is that good enough?

MeteorMarc 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Indeed, unimaginable what is possible! There will also be traces of H, N, O, S etc due to comets crashing in, so room for carbon chemistry once temperature permits.

westmeal 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Getting flung around a gamma ray emitting pulsar while baking on diamonds doesn't seem very groovy

seph-reed 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The aliens living there have silly high pitch voices.

Waterluvian 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You should hear what the clowns on Sol-3 sound like.

tclancy 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same with Canada, at least according to Pavement.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They are also rich, it is diamonds everywhere.