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| ▲ | heavyset_go 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't like it, but ChatGPT is a product that nearly a billion people are using. It's broken into popular culture. My mom, who has trouble sending an email, uses it. She found it on her own. More importantly, generative AI is incredibly popular with younger cohorts. They will grow up to be your customer base if they aren't already. Their expectations are being set now. Again, I don't like it, but that's the reality. | | |
| ▲ | protocolture 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Quoting myself from another thread. > I love it. I love going to the AI place and knowingly consulting the AI for tasks I want the AI to perform. That relationship is healthy and responsible. It doesnt need to be in everything else. Its like those old jokes about how inventions are just <existing invention> + <digital clock>. > I dont need AI on the desktop, in microsoft office, replying to me on facebook, responding to my google searches AND doing shit in my browser. One of these would be too much, because I can just access the AI I want to speak to whenever I want it. Any 2 of these is such substantial overkill. Why do we have all of them? Justify it. Is there a user story where a user was trying to complete a task but lacked 97% accurate information from 5 different sources to complete the task? Being against the random inclusion of AI in the browser, isnt the same as being against AI completely. It needs to justify its presence. | |
| ▲ | bondarchuk 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Video games are incredibly popular and my mom plays them, does that mean Firefox should have video games baked in at the base layer? | | |
| ▲ | protocolture 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Firefox needs to immediately build Candy Crush into the browser. Users expect to be able to access Candy Crush and only at the layer of web browser can such a thing be implemented. |
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| ▲ | therouwboat 10 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Co-worker was talking about how he tried to make invitation card with chatgpt, just a picture of his house and text and AI failed to do it. It said he didn't have copyright to the picture and used another random pic, layout was wrong etc.
Then younger co-worker gave tips how to do it, what tools to use and offered to make it with his better AI program. What could be done in few minutes with a free program is now multiple hours with billion dollar AI tools and you have less control what the end result is. | | |
| ▲ | 7bit 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Obviously your co-worker was not able to do it in a few minutes with a free program, or he would just have done it this way. |
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| ▲ | krisgenre 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | + Children are growing up with ChatGPT and Gemini. It has already become the de facto standard for learning. AI in browsers is inevitable. | | |
| ▲ | protocolture 12 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Children are growing up with ChatGPT and Gemini" Yes. "It has already become the de facto standard for learning." Maybe. "AI in browsers is inevitable." Why. How does that follow. It seems like ChatGPT and Gemini are already working fine, what does the integration add? | | |
| ▲ | krisgenre 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Filling out forms, booking tickets, summarizing content ... Even at work, have seen few junior developers use AI browsers to attend mandatory compliance courses and complete quizzes. Not necessarily a good thing but AI browsers may win in the end and it might be too late for Firefox. | |
| ▲ | robryan 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | And assuming people want deeper integration is the browser even the right level of abstraction? Arguably it would be better to have something that was operating at the OS level, like siri/gemini assistant style. | | |
| ▲ | heavyset_go 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | When Microsoft completely integrates its LLM into Windows, would you rather give that access to your browser, or would you rather plug in your own local model / turn it off entirely while browsing? If a global LLM becomes standard, I'd want to plug in my own local model or disable it entirely, but I don't think Microsoft nor Apple are going to open up their operating systems and make it easy to do that any time soon. The option to granularly use your own models is a plus to me in that situation. | |
| ▲ | PurpleRamen 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Every app has to open itself for integration, especially if it's not a native app like Firefox. From where they get the AI at the end doesn't really matter, they will support them all anyway. | |
| ▲ | protocolture 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Precisely. Like the winner could be in 100 spaces, but more likely going to be something global. |
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| ▲ | rockskon 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | ????? Why does the existance of an AI chat box website mean a browser must do more than take you to that website? The forceful inclusion of LLMs in places that have no value are simultaneously ubiquitous and obnoxious. | | |
| ▲ | PurpleRamen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Because the chatbox can't access other websites, doing its work there. That's what integration is all about, to connect parts. | |
| ▲ | darkwater 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "why do I have to go and fill with copy paste that form or navigate through that page to do $something if that AI browser can do it for me?" And in that scenario, there is a GIGANTIC need for a user-first, privacy-respecting browser using ideally local models (in a few years, when HW is ready) | | |
| ▲ | rockskon 10 hours ago | parent [-] | | Again: ??????? You people need to be forced to use your product in the exact form your product is presented to end users. With the exact frequency it's presented to end users. In all the wrong places as it is presented to end users. Maybe then you'll understand why shoving AI in every conceivable crevice is incredibly obnoxious and distracting and, most importantly, not useful. | | |
| ▲ | darkwater 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Shoving an AI agent in every website is distracting and not that useful.
Shoving an AI agent in every app is distracting as well. Having one global AI agent per operating system or browser (where most of the digital life happens, in the case of desktop browsers), for the people that want to have an AI agent, it's probably going to be useful, if well implemented. | | |
| ▲ | protocolture 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | OS might make sense, but the browser level is a weird middle space for it. | | |
| ▲ | darkwater 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I know, but at the end of the day most people nowadays do the vast majority of their job in a browser, and there is already a well defined API to manage its content. Also browsers are coming there faster and at some point it will become what people expect, rather what's most optimal. |
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