+ Children are growing up with ChatGPT and Gemini. It has already become the de facto standard for learning. AI in browsers is inevitable.

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protocolture 12 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Children are growing up with ChatGPT and Gemini"

Yes.

"It has already become the de facto standard for learning."

Maybe.

"AI in browsers is inevitable."

Why. How does that follow. It seems like ChatGPT and Gemini are already working fine, what does the integration add?

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robryan 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And assuming people want deeper integration is the browser even the right level of abstraction? Arguably it would be better to have something that was operating at the OS level, like siri/gemini assistant style.

	▲	heavyset_go 8 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		When Microsoft completely integrates its LLM into Windows, would you rather give that access to your browser, or would you rather plug in your own local model / turn it off entirely while browsing? If a global LLM becomes standard, I'd want to plug in my own local model or disable it entirely, but I don't think Microsoft nor Apple are going to open up their operating systems and make it easy to do that any time soon. The option to granularly use your own models is a plus to me in that situation.
	▲	PurpleRamen 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Every app has to open itself for integration, especially if it's not a native app like Firefox. From where they get the AI at the end doesn't really matter, they will support them all anyway.
	▲	protocolture 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Precisely. Like the winner could be in 100 spaces, but more likely going to be something global.

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krisgenre 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Filling out forms, booking tickets, summarizing content ...

Even at work, have seen few junior developers use AI browsers to attend mandatory compliance courses and complete quizzes. Not necessarily a good thing but AI browsers may win in the end and it might be too late for Firefox.

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rockskon 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

?????

Why does the existance of an AI chat box website mean a browser must do more than take you to that website?

The forceful inclusion of LLMs in places that have no value are simultaneously ubiquitous and obnoxious.

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PurpleRamen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because the chatbox can't access other websites, doing its work there. That's what integration is all about, to connect parts.

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darkwater 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"why do I have to go and fill with copy paste that form or navigate through that page to do $something if that AI browser can do it for me?"

And in that scenario, there is a GIGANTIC need for a user-first, privacy-respecting browser using ideally local models (in a few years, when HW is ready)

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rockskon 10 hours ago | parent [-]

Again: ???????

You people need to be forced to use your product in the exact form your product is presented to end users. With the exact frequency it's presented to end users. In all the wrong places as it is presented to end users.

Maybe then you'll understand why shoving AI in every conceivable crevice is incredibly obnoxious and distracting and, most importantly, not useful.

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darkwater 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Shoving an AI agent in every website is distracting and not that useful. Shoving an AI agent in every app is distracting as well.

Having one global AI agent per operating system or browser (where most of the digital life happens, in the case of desktop browsers), for the people that want to have an AI agent, it's probably going to be useful, if well implemented.

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protocolture 8 hours ago | parent [-]

OS might make sense, but the browser level is a weird middle space for it.

	▲	darkwater 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I know, but at the end of the day most people nowadays do the vast majority of their job in a browser, and there is already a well defined API to manage its content. Also browsers are coming there faster and at some point it will become what people expect, rather what's most optimal.