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pton_xd 19 hours ago

This is what seemingly every app does. They add 15 different categories for notifications / emails / whatever, and then make you turn off each one individually. Then they periodically remove / add new categories, enabled by default. Completely abusive behavior.

wmeredith 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Want to unsubscribe from this email? Ok, you can do it in one click, but we have 16 categories of emails we send you, so you'll still get the other 15! It's a dark pattern for sure.

s2l 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And by unsubscribing, you just gave us a signal that you are active.

DrewADesign 12 hours ago | parent [-]

They’re sad they can’t point that particular marketing hose at you, anymore, but appreciate confirming your validity as a lead they’ll sell to data brokers.

pixl97 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

1.3076744e+12 -1 is a lot of categories to click.

floxy 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

1,307,674,368,000

nativeit 8 hours ago | parent [-]

[ ] 231,846,239,211 “Messages related to wetland fauna migratory patterns and their impact on commodity spice markets, also Pepsi advertising”

permo-w 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

e+ is such an unintuitive decimal representation system. going in blindly, it's completely non-obvious what "e" stands for, surely "d" would make far more sense. also, the namespace for e is plenty filled up as is, and, most of all, +12 implies 12 additional digits, not digits after the point

Google's choice to use it for calculation results despite having essentially no restriction on text space always annoyed me. I think this is the first time I've seen a human using it

rmccue 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The use of E notation for scientific notation dates back to 1956: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_notation#:~:text=wh...

It’s also pretty common on scientific and graphing calculators; the first time I saw it was in junior school in maths.

bux93 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Thanks again for unsubscribing! This is your weekly reminder that you are still unsubscribed. As usual, we've included a little bonus for you to enjoy at the end of this unsubscribe-reminder e-mail: a complementary full edition of this week's newsletter!

jrootabega 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And if you just add them to your spam filter, it won't even work easily, because they deliberately shift around the domains and subdomains they send from every so often.

05 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I just use a unique address for each service. Any email that gets leaked or is getting unsubscribe resistant spam is added to /etc/postfix/denied_recipients :)

tastyfreeze 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Appending "+label" to the username part of an email address is legal and will be delivered to the username mailbox.

Jolter 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Doesn’t sound like a very fun hobby, TBH.

osamagirl69 9 hours ago | parent [-]

no the op, but I find great joy in looking though who sends me spam (based on the unique email used to sign up for each service)

I think it scratches a similar itch to putting up a game camera to see what sort of vermin are running around in your back yard.

nativeit 8 hours ago | parent [-]

You inevitably catch LexisNexis shitting in your herb garden and leaving squirrel carcasses lying about…

volkk 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

this is where LLMs could actually help. create spam filters that an LLM can parse and deny if it looks close enough. but then again, hallucinations would be kind of terrible.

autoexec 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree this would be a good use of an LLM (assuming that it was running locally). I wouldn't put one in charge of deleting my messages, but I could see one being used to assign a score to messages and based on that score moving them out of my inbox into various folders for review.

csomar 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Same can be achieved with a catch all domain and a sub for every service you use. Cost $13/year. Extra protection: now if you lose access to your email provider, you still have access to future emails.

ipython 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yep. Had that happen with the United app a few weeks ago. Unsolicited spam sent via push notification to my phone. Turns out that they added a bunch of notification settings - of course all default to on.

Turned them all off except for trip updates that day.

Best part is- yesterday I received yet another unsolicited spam push message. With all the settings turned off.

So these companies will effective require you to use their app to use their service, then refuse to respect their own settings for privacy.

vlachen 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've taken to "Archiving" apps like this on my Android phone. When I need it, I can un-archive it to use it. Keeps the list of things trying to get my attention a little bit smaller.

dmoy 18 hours ago | parent [-]

I just hellban every app from sending any notifications, except for a select few. Apps get like a one strike policy on notification spam. If they send a single notification I didn't want, I disable their ability to send notifications at all.

Also all notifications/etc are silent, except for alarms, pages, phone calls, and specific named people's texts.

Everything else... no. YouTube was the worst offender before for me.

vlachen 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Another technique for me is to avoid apps like Instagram, Facebook and Youtube. I run them all through mobile Firefox with uBlock origin and custom block scripts that block sponsored posts and shorts. This combines well with having Youtube's history turned off which prevents the algorithmic suggestions.

gopher_space 15 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> YouTube was the worst offender before for me.

Uber. Hands down. I'm using it a lot less since they started sending ads on the same notification channel as my ride updates.

wtallis 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I give apps a one strike policy on notification spam. If they do it at all, I'm uninstalling it until I actually need to use it next (if I can't find an alternative). And the same goes for getting in my way to beg for a review on the app store: that's a shortcut to getting a one-star rating.

The main exception to this is the notification spam from Google asking me to rate call quality after every damn call. I don't have my phone rooted, so I can't turn off that category of notification.

ryandrake 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is the way. You get one chance, app. If you send me an unwanted notification, you're done. You have to almost treat these apps as attackers.

autoexec 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Why even give most apps even one chance? For almost every app I have zero interest in ever getting a notification from. I see no reason to give them an opportunity to annoy me even once.

dmoy 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Honestly because I won't remember to go into the settings page and disable it. When a notification comes in, there's a quick route to disable forever, otherwise I have to go preemptively digging

itopaloglu83 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sending ad notifications is a recent trend, normally Apple guidelines don’t allow it, but they know that Apple cannot much fuss about with all the regulatory pressure.

It’s the enshitification of the notification system, the apps are already filled with ads and now they’re making you open the app or splash things on your face.

whatsupdog 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Why do you even need the United app? They have a website.

floxy 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Boarding pass. For the airline apps, it probably is a good assumption that most people want to get a notification that their flight is delayed, or started boarding, etc..

TheJoeMan 2 hours ago | parent [-]

They don't advertise it, but you can many times add the Apple Wallet pass from the website. And it actually sends you flight change notifications too.

bitwize 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is why whenever you try to do anything significant on a web site with a phone, they tell you to "Download our app". Detection is very good now. Slack can see right through desktop mode, cheater, and will redirect you to the app regardless.

whatsupdog 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Never had that issue on Vanadium browser, or Brave or even Firefox. I personally refuse to download an app if there is a website for the same. For a long time I was even using door dash in browser.

ipython 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Why use a website at all, then? United has a reservations 800 number and you can print your boarding pass at the airport.

whatsupdog 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I get the sarcasm, but it's like comparing apples to oranges. Calling a number and talking to people is vastly different to clicking some buttons on your phone. App/website have almost same user interface, just different ways to get to that interface. Calling the number is totally different interface.

josephg 16 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When I get email like that, I mark it as spam. That trains the spam filters to remove their marketing email from everyone's inbox. I see it as a community service.

bradleyankrom 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LinkedIn does the same thing re emails, notifications, etc that they send. I think I turned off notifications that connections had achieved new high scores in games they play on LinkedIn. Absurd.

hopelite 18 hours ago | parent [-]

I’m at the point where I just cleared everything out of Linkedin and have designated all LinkedIn emails as spam. It’s just a modern equivalent to a slave market, where slaves vote to be the pick-me alpha slave.

Hoasi 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

LinkedIn is one the most useless app ever. I have trashed it countless times, but I do use it now and ten to keep up with companies and respond to a few solicitations. There is almost never anything of value in my feed, between the fake jobs and the low value self-promotion AI-written posts. Who even reads this? Not even mentioning the political, and pseudo-activist posts. And this happens despite systematically marking all of these posts irrelevant or “inappropriate for LinkedIn”. This app is beyond repair. Uninstalling.

nativeit 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

“House Project Managers”

hansvm 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That behavior is what finally got me off Facebook awhile back.

Edit: And something similar with Windows now that I think about it; there was a privacy setting which would appear to work till you re-entered that menu. Saving the setting didn't actually persist it, and the default was not consumer-friendly.

fragmede 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I especially like how they add it to the bottom of a widget with hidden scrollbars, just to make it totally missable that they added them at all!