> I don’t like the language and I do not want to see it continue to propagate through the software I use and want to control/edit/customize.

This is how I feel about C/C++; I find Rust a lot easier to reason about, modify, and test, so I'm always happy to see that something I'm interested in is written in Rust (or, to a far lesser extent, golang).

> So for me the less entrenched Rust remains the more ability I keep to work on the software I use.

For me, the more entrenched Rust becomes the more ability I gain to work on the software I use.

> if Rust is going to continue entrenching itself in the open source software that is widely in use, it should at least be able to be compiled with by the mainline GPL compiler used and utilized by the open source community

I don't see why this ideological point should have any impact on whether a language is used or not. Clang/LLVM are also open-source, and I see no reason why GCC is better for these purposes than those. Unless you somehow think that using Clang/LLVM could lead to Rust becoming closed-source (or requiring closed-source tools), which is almost impossible to imagine, the benefits of using LLVM outweigh the drawbacks dramatically.

> A piece of software, open source, written in Rust is equivalent to proprietary software from my perspective.

This just sounds like 'not invented here syndrome'. Your refusal to learn new things does not reflect badly on Rust as a technology or on projects adopting it, it reflects on you. If you don't want to learn new things then that's fine, but don't portray your refusal to learn it as being somehow a negative for Rust.

> I will always prefer software I can control/edit/hack on as the key portions of my stack

You can control/edit/hack on Rust code, you just don't want to.

To be blunt, you're coming across as an old fogey who's set in his ways and doesn't want to learn anything new and doesn't want anything to change. "Everything was fine in my day, why is there all this new fangled stuff?" That's all fine, of course, you don't need to change or learn new things, but I don't understand the mindset of someone who wouldn't want to.

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pessimizer 6 days ago | parent [-]

>> I don’t like the language and I do not want to see it continue to propagate through the software I use and want to control/edit/customize.

> This is how I feel about C/C++; I find Rust a lot easier to reason about, modify, and test, so I'm always happy to see that something I'm interested in is written in Rust (or, to a far lesser extent, golang).

You have to do better than "NO U" on this. The comparison to C/C++ is silly, because there is no way you're going to avoid C/C++ being woven throughout your entire existence for decades to come.

> I don't see why this ideological point should have any impact on whether a language is used or not. Clang/LLVM are also open-source, and I see no reason why GCC is better for these purposes than those.

I hope you don't expect people to debate about your sight and your imagination. You know why people choose the GPL, and you know why people are repulsed by the GPL. Playing dumb is disrespectful.

> don't portray your refusal to learn it as being somehow a negative for Rust.

But your sight, however, we should be discussing?

edit: I really, really like Rust, and I find it annoying that the clearest, most respectful arguments in this little subthread are from the people who just don't like Rust. The most annoying thing is that when they admit that they just don't like it, they're criticized for not making up reasons not to like it. They made it very clear that their main objection to its inclusion in Linux is licensing and integration issues, not taste. The response is name calling. I'm surprised they weren't flagkilled.

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keybored 6 days ago | parent [-]

> edit: I really, really like Rust, and I find it annoying that the clearest, most respectful arguments in this little subthread are from the people who just don't like Rust.

Keywords right there. People who don’t-like-Rust are the most coddled anti-PL group. To the extent that they can just say: I really need to speak my mind here that I just don’t like it. End of story.

I don’t think anyone else feels entitled to complain about exactly nothing. I complain about languages. In the appropriate context. When it is relevant or germane to the topic.

A “genius” Rust program running on a supercomputer solving cancer would either get a golf-clap (“I don’t like Rust, but”) or cries that this means that the contagion is irreversibly spreading to their local supercomputer cluster.

One thing is people who work on projects where they would have to be burdened by at least (even if they don’t write it themselves) building Rust. That’s practical complaining, if that makes sense. Here people are whining about it entrenching itself in muh OSS.

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throwaway17_17 6 days ago | parent [-]

As I think I conveyed in my original post, I am not against anyone using whatever language they want to make their software. If a "genius" Rust program 'solved' cancer I would be exceptionally impressed by the PROGRAMMER's work, the language they used would not make a difference. Although I would be more excited to get the source code for the program if it was in a language I already knew and used routinely. My objection is to Rust being imported into software that I already use and is not currently written in Rust, and that is a very different thing.

	▲	keybored 20 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> As I think I conveyed in my original post, I am not against anyone using whatever language they want to make their software. You conveyed that? How? Really, what neat little delineation is there between your little OS hack-on world and people using whatever language they want to make their software? There isn’t. Because people on a long-running project can have members who want to move code over or start modules in Rust or whatever language. As is happening in some places. Beyond that though the projects that one is interested in would need to remain static and not include potentially new projects written in upcoming languages. Against that backdrop we have you, moaning about lang X potentially infecting your OSS ecocsystem.