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dragonwriter a day ago

> Men are born without a understanding of how the female body works, same with women who are born with no understanding of how the male body works.

Men are also born without an undertanding of how the male body works and the same is true, mutatis mutandis, with women.

> Just placing ur brain in a new body wont magically unlearn all the things you know about the other body.

I mean, absent knowledge of what it takes to make a brain work with a new body, putting it in one is also magic and what other magical (from our perspective) effects do or do not come along with that is... highly speculative. It might be that accessing some of those as anything different than the memories of counterfactual dreams isn’t possible without connections, or biochemical conditions, that don’t exist without intentional intervention in a body configured differently.

> So regardless of the body your brain was put into, you now have both genders because you experienced both sides.

No, gender (either ascribed gender or gender identity) is not inherently tied to “what combination of anatomical and hormonal sex traits have I experienced”. It might be that having this kind of experience affects gender identity, but (even assuming initial gender identity was in one or the other position on the traditional binary, whether or not the side stereotypically associated with gross anatomy of the original body) it doesn't automatically make it encompass both sides of the gender binary. And what it does or doesn't do for ascribed gender is dependent on the viewss of the society in which it occurs, not an outside observer in our society.

> Personally, I am not attracted to men in the slightest regardless of their body now having female features. So while I am not against people swapping genders how they please, it would be a dystopia for me personally in my subjective view, because I wouldn't magically become bisexual.

It would be a dystopia becuase people would be free to engage in one more choice than they are in our current society that, because of your quirky views about the relation of gender to biological history of the individual, would render them sexually uninteresting to you?

That seems more than a little narcissistic.

zwnow a day ago | parent [-]

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mirabilis a day ago | parent | next [-]

So in the context of this story, if a woman Changes into a man’s body for a day and then goes back, your interest is killed due to her exposure to penis-having? And if a man Changes into a woman with a impregnatable uterus, still no dice? It seems more reasonable to me for you to claim that “even the ghost of a penis is icky to me and kills my interest” than “this person will never be female.”

zwnow a day ago | parent [-]

No I meant it as in "will never be female".

mirabilis a day ago | parent [-]

Still, in the context of the story: body transplant? Womb transplant? some kind of far-off mass-CRISPR chromosomal rewriting? Alien raygun that turns you into Farrah Fawcett? If any of the biological rules could someday be edited at will, then this insistence upon definitional, immutable, and perhaps spiritual femaleness comes across as more of a matter of your own preference.

dragonwriter a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Sorry but a living being that either had or has a penis will never be female and therefore is automatically uninteresting to me as a straight man.

I don't know why you think your sexual preference is of anyone else's concern except for people who would, before considering it, look at you as a potential sexual partner.

> Gender identity is a buzz word without meaning.

It (like both sex and ascribed gender) is a name for a very real phenomenon, whether or not that phenomenon is important in your world in which, apparently, the only thing that matters about other people is whether they fall in or out of your preferred set of sexual targets.

Like, I get that your identity as "straight" and your particular definition of what that entails is important to you, but I don't see why you get so intensely upset about a fictional concept of a society where people (whose self-image must not be as caught up in genital anatomy as yours for the existence of this choice to matter) have a choice that they don't in our present reality which would, if exercised, put them outside of your sexual preference (I mean, I would assume that the vast majority of those whou would choose it would, either because of their starting sex, or other reasons, already be outside of that set, anyway.)

n4r9 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> automatically uninteresting to me as a straight man

Why are you so sure you can extrapolate your personal preferences to all men across all time? Is it inherently impossible that a society could develop to become more open-minded about such things?

zwnow 21 hours ago | parent [-]

Open minded? My sexuality isn't about being open minded, I'm simply not attracted to people who either have or had a penis. Simple as that.

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