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I had Amazon close my old, almostt-unused account in Amazon-in-another-country because I dared to add a new payment method.

I proved them who I am, that the new payment method (virtual card from a well-known organization) is mine, everything.

After lots of back-forth I've been informed their decision is final.

I HAVE NOT BREACHED TOS. I wish I has a major law company behind me to force them to admit that.

Very happy it was my almost unused account, heavily went down with my purchases in mt main account (in my usual country of residence) as well.

And yes, I use login-with-companyName as sparingly as possible. We are not the users, we're beggars.

shelled 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I am in a situation right now where Amazon delivered a fake product. Support suggested they can also try redelivery, and when I asked what if it happens again, they said it should not happen.

It happened - fake again. Now the customer support flow is: you upload images of the product (max. three), and the system approves the verification or rejects it, and then you have a way to contact customer care. System rejected. The trick is - they do not know why the rejection happened, they are not able to tell me, they are confirming the images are very clear and crisp, but they can't do anything to help me because the system leaves them with zero options to move forward - in fact, there is no further escalation matrix either. Nada!

The bank (credit card issuer) refused to raise the chargeback because "but the merchant 'delivered' the item". But it was fake, so? No, no, it "delivered" - that is what counts, so you have to sort it out with the merchant. But they are refusing any further help. You have to sort it out with them. And so on... in a loop.

Can I take them to court? Sure. It may take weeks, months, and maybe years, and even then, in the end (if I win), the court may just instruct them to refund and possibly (possibly!) compensate a trivial amount for legal expenses, which is never even remotely close to the actual legal expenses in this country's courts.

Just stonewalled. It almost feels Kafkaesque.

gcr 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

I had the misfortune of visiting an Amazon Go store. They charged me for items that I never picked.

No option to contest the receipt....until the "would you recommend a friend visit amazon Go" survey popped up. I responded negatively, then the "why?" question had a "My receipt was incorrect" option.

Suddenly I was able to go through the "contest receipt" workflow.

100% completely automated.

cowboylowrez 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When I get bogus products from online ordering I just assume I got ripped off and that's that. A majority of my orders come through though so its not all bad.

account42 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does your country not have a small claims court or equivalent? This is literally what they are for: resolving obvious payment disputes with uncooperative corporations.

vladms 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The system works as long there is user trust in the system. It is sad and annoying when something like this happens, but occasionally the best thing you can do is tell your story and never use a service again. I find there are still reasonable alternatives to Amazon, maybe not at the same price, but at least they deliver less fakes.

queenkjuul 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Wow, i received a fake product from Amazon ten years ago, their support gave me a full refund no questions asked. Shame how far they've fallen.

(Fwiw, i never bought anything from Amazon again after receiving one fake item. If i want to gamble I'll pay Aliexpress prices)

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throwaway290 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why did you tell your bank it was delivered, if it was never delivered. Some other item you didn't order was delivered.

MichaelZuo 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Unless you live in a jurisdiction that is known to have very generous court judgements that fully compensate all expenses occured… wouldn’t this be true for literally every dispute you have above a certain threshold?

That’s simply the actual cost of living in your jurisdiction.

I don’t think any large retailer or bank on Earth guarantees there will be a viable escalation pathway for all possible combination of scenarios either.

Maybe a very high end private bank but even that’s iffy.

smoghat 3 days ago | parent [-]

My parents had their account with Deutsche Bank private bankers. They had moved overseas and sold their house in the 90s and were living off the proceeds. Everyone got lucky that they bought their house in a big city in the 1960s. Since they didn't spend too much money, the capital accumulated for a while. It could have gone the way of Detroit but went the other way. When they passed away, we inherited the money and bought a house in the suburbs. It wasn't a huge amount of money, but it changed our lives, no question.

So, when my mom passed, our family had to deal with DB. I have never, ever hand such a bad experience with a bank. The bank overseas was so courteous and efficient that I asked if I could open a bank account with them but I couldn't since I don't live in the country, just a frequent visitor. The IRS and government were easy. The will was as easy as it gets. Do things by the book, you'll be fine.

The NY DB office, to which I would have to go frequently and sit in some luxurious waiting room with nice art, was insane. My lawyer and accountant could not understand how they could repeatedly ask for the same information, deny they had received it, ask for information that literally the US government does not give out to anyone and on and on and on. And no there was nothing shady or shifty about my parents' lives. My lawyer started sending meaner and meaner letters to them, the kind that talk about making my client whole and litigation.

And yet, a few years later it turned out that same bank was often in the news for, among other things catering to Jeffrey Epstein. Who knows, maybe he spent his last hours complaining about them too. I could only hope he had that experience to add to his all-too-brief punishment. Actually, I have often wondered if we got raked over the coals because they had genuinely fishy clients and thus all the clients, especially the ones overseas, were on some kind of government watch list.

storus 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Amazon expects you hire a consultant that is a buddy with the manager responsible for closing your account, and bribe them through that engagement to re-enable your account. They started doing that a decade ago with the mass-banning of legitimate sellers.

monerozcash 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Emailing jeff@amazon rapidly solved the problem for me when I was in the exactly same situation.

Of course it'd have been nicer to tell them to fuck off, but living without Amazon would simply be far too inconvenient.

account42 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This also works for many other companies by the way - find or guess the email of someone high enough up the management chain and you have a much better chance of your issue ending up with someone who can actually do something about it than phone support following a fixed script. Bottom barrel support options are a choice the company is making and you do not have to play by their rules.

cube00 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For all the negative press he gets and the way he treats his workers I'm surprised he still has resources allocated to handle complaints sent to his inbox.

account42 18 hours ago | parent [-]

It's unlikely to be Bezos himself handling those mails but it's still going to be some secretary with much more options than the cheapest phone support worker money can buy.

queenkjuul 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you in the US?

I'm just always a little surprised to read things like "i couldn't live without Amazon," and i wonder if there are no other alternatives for two day shipping on other countries or what it is that keeps people stuck on Amazon instead of using other next-day deliveries

jack_tripper 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

It's not that Amazon is irreplaceable, but sometimes it's the best option by far depending on where you live and what you're looking for.

I'm in Austria (not Australia) and local retail prices are infamous for being 25% to 100% higher than in neighboring Germany for the same stuff because of cartel behavior of local retail industry.

Buying from amazon Germany means I can get the same prices as Germans (with +1% extra for higher Austrian VAT) for the same goods.

I'd love to give up Amazon in favor of local stores but local cartels are just as bad or even worse.

So to fix the Amazon problem you need to fix the competition problem first, which is caused by players other than Amazon too.

rvnx 3 days ago | parent [-]

This. 100%. Local shops are taking huge margins, have limited selection and are slow because they need to order from… central warehouse

account42 18 hours ago | parent [-]

Worse is that local shops also often have a bad customer experience when things go wrong - but now it's a new different flow for every store instead of a known quantity.

account42 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's convenience. Two day shipping is irrelevant to me but there are no alternatives here even approaching the breadth of stock. So instead of dealing with one devil I know I would have to deal with several devils, some of which will be worse than Amazon.

macNchz 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People in my circles in the US (in an area with tons of alternative options) look at me like I have two heads when I say we don’t have Prime and never shop on Amazon. For many, I think, Amazon has simply been the default option to buy anything for long enough now that it’s ingrained muscle memory.

monerozcash 3 days ago | parent | next [-]

Big part of that is just that it's insanely easy to use compared to most of the competition.

But still, most people go to the shop to buy toilet paper. Once you get used to Amazon, it just saves so much time and effort. The prices aren't bad either, I just checked toilet paper on amazon.com and 30 rolls of good quality amazonbasics toilet paper costs $0.22 more than the equivalent kirkland product on costco.com

You can order almost everything you need in the same app, whenever you feel like it. Just a couple of clicks, no need to fill in delivery information or anything.

The only part where YMMV is receiving the parcels obviously.

macNchz 2 days ago | parent [-]

I did have Prime for like 10 years, I just eventually realized that between the not-infrequent annoyances with shipping and the endless search results full of total junk and/or fake products it wasn’t as convenient as I’d thought, it more so just became my default.

There’s a corner store about a two minute walk from my front door, I’m certain their toilet paper is more expensive than Amazon’s, but I can have it right now if I want, and I’m not dealing with the stupid interface asking me if I want “18-count (345 sheet, 9 pack)” or the “XL 27 count (256 sheet, 5 pack)” version of the same product.

queenkjuul 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Target will deliver anything i want next day for free, without a subscription, and same day with a subscription. Walgreens, 2 days. There's almost never anything i need faster than 2 days time that one of them doesn't have. And if i do, well, then worth the premium to go to an actual physical shop.

monerozcash 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

I live between central London and a smaller European city, the competition is generally much much worse.

Sure, for every individual item there might be a better better local option. I'd have to spend time finding that, then go through the terrible order process and hope their delivery service isn't utter shit. Oh, and yeah, half the time they'll probably block my order because I'm using a non-european card.

Just being able to use Amazon for almost everything starting from bottled water and toilet paper saves me immense amounts of time. I can generally trust that the stuff I order reliably arrives at the concierge, which isn't a given.

And FWIW, most of the time I've shopped around, Amazon has been cheaper or essentially the same price. Doesn't really matter to me, but it is a plus. I'd happily pay more for a more convenient service, but in this case it seems I'm usually paying less.

queenkjuul 2 days ago | parent [-]

Why i asked what country, here in the US i can order same-day or next-day from several other places than Amazon for roughly the same price, and without paying for prime

left-struck 3 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Honestly, good riddance. Just abandon that company and everything they touch.

dev_l1x_be 3 days ago | parent [-]

If you can…

left-struck 2 days ago | parent [-]

While you can…

freeopinion 3 days ago | parent | prev [-]

And yet you keep paying money to this company. That is on you.