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Going Through Snowden Documents, Part 1(libroot.org)
86 points by libroot 2 hours ago | 28 comments
jjordan an hour ago | parent | next [-]

If you've ever watched the movie "Enemy of the State", which came out in 1998, I don't know how you can come away from that movie thinking anything other than someone in that script writing pipeline had some insider knowledge of what was happening. So many of the things they talk about in the film were confirmed by the Snowden releases that it's kinda scary.

Today, it's almost a national societal resignation that "you have no privacy, get over it." I wish that weren't the case, but I'd like to see more representation embrace privacy as the basic right it should be again.

jjtheblunt 23 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The 1982 book "The Puzzle Palace" from James Bamford covered NSA capabilities (and was sanctioned, nonetheless), etc..

There were also FOIA requests revealing much capability.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bamford

jazzyjackson 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

:)

I've long held that a useful counterintelligence strategy is to weave real operations into fictional films, such that if someone catches on and tries to tell people about it, the response is simply "you schizophrenic - that's the plot of Die Hard 4!"

Slightly less conspiratorial version is that agents and clerks with knowledge of operations get drunk at the same bars as Hollywood script writers

lisbbb 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wrote my dissertation on information privacy back in 2003. Post 9/11, privacy was WILDLY unpopular thanks to government propaganda. It's never recovered. I walk around all the time thinking about how we are so close to what East Germans had to deal with, it's just soft glove tyranny here <for now>.

ForOldHack 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

i.e. The movie "The lives of others." :|

jeffbee 40 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I think what you mean is that an uncritical reading of Snowden's smuggled powerpoints can be compatible with Grand Unified Conspiracy thinking that was promoted and advanced by 90s media like Enemy of the State and The X-Files. But compatibility is not truth. These things are all pretty unhinged and with little basis in reality.

jasonvorhe 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Imagine actually believing all this in 2025.

apical_dendrite 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

As far as US persons are concerned, jeffbee is correct that the Snowden leaks are not compatible with the conspiratorial worldview represented by Enemy of the State or the X-Files. The Snowden docs showed things like if two people outside the US were discussing US politics and they mentioned Obama, then the name "Obama" would be redacted because he was a US person. The redaction of US personal info was not perfect but the situation was a very, very long way off from unchecked surveillance and assassination of US persons that was depicted in those films.

asdefghyk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some what (vaguely) related to this topic About surveillance.

I recall a local political and business figure making statements you and/or I are being surveilled by the government. Everyone thought that's not likely , its not possible, he is a bit imbalanced..

After the dumping of documents' from Snowden and Assange it was shown to be possible Things like, if its even possible , it could plausibly be happening. The government has somewhat infinite resources.

The altered software for hard drive hacking for example. Wow. Intercepting packages in mail and altering the software ...

wood_spirit an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The Soviets planted listening devices in American embassy typewriters between October 1976 and January 1984 - by intercepting them in the mail!

Really sophisticated devices: https://www.cryptomuseum.com/covert/bugs/selectric/

ginush 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

We know now that communications are being intercepted in bulk as a matter of intelligence gathering, but that does not equate to everyone being surveilled by the government.

What this actually provides, first and foremost, is the capability to perform targeted surveillance more rapidly, and to do so temporally by reaching into datasets already recorded. Obviously this provides a much-needed capability for legitimate investigations, where the target of interest and their identifying markers may not yet be known.

walletdrainer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’d be nice if someone released the 99% of Snowden documents that remain unreleased

wood_spirit an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How can Snowdon possibly feel as the international situation changes so totally since he fled? It boggles the mind.

ok123456 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Probably, that he did the right thing at the right time.

ginush 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

I hope he's still not deluding himself into thinking he did anything positive.

koakuma-chan 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Why isn't Russia torturing him to get all the secrets out of him?

jack_tripper 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Because real life is not a Bond movie where the first thing that happens is a British actor with a bad Russian accent starts torturing you like in Goldfinger.

Plus, as the US has found out, torture has been proven a bad way to get the truth out of people, since under duress people will admit and say anything just to make the pain stop, even if they're innocent and have no valuable information.

stefan_ 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He's much more useful being the ultimate tankie online

paulryanrogers 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There already did? And or little to get since he didn't memorize secrets and most--if not all--his digital copies were given to the press?

dmix 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

That sort of thing doesn't stay hidden these days. Especially someone like Snowden who has a hundred friends who are human rights lawyers.

Krasnol 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Because they already had everything he could provide and the embarrassment weights far more then some tiny details they could get by torturing him.

dadrian an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Surely, this time we'll find something!

bagels an hour ago | parent | next [-]

There were plenty of somethings found at the time.

jeffbee an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ha, right on target. The scariest thing in there was that they managed to tap an undersea cable and find a protobuf that they didn't know how to parse. Profound mismatch between the reputation of the NSA, their willingness to undertake daring physical intrusions, and their total inability to profit from that.

hulitu an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Surely, this time we'll find something!

You won"t.

CamperBob2 an hour ago | parent [-]

We saw plenty, but nobody cared. Let's see how that works out for us in the long run.

hulitu an hour ago | parent [-]

People forget. Easily. Just bombard their brains with something else and everything is fine.

timschmidt 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

Reminds me of the 49s mark of the first song on Dispepsi by Negativland: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyDL1I6D8Hg&list=OLAK5uy_lGC...

"You can actually cause the consumer to forget something he has previously learned... by putting into his head a newer and stronger concept... You can actually remove an advertising story from his memory, and in it's place you can substitute one of your own... as we seize a larger and larger share of the consumer's brain box..."