| ▲ | efitz 5 hours ago |
| This makes me happy. What would make me even more happy is if we linked our foreign policy, especially our trade and aid policies, to align with our Constitution. Other governments can do what they want, but we should prefer to interact with governments that share our values, and we should not reward or prefer governments that don’t. |
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| ▲ | KuSpa 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The hypocrisy
https://www.heise.de/en/news/How-a-French-judge-was-digitall... (A french judge was cut off by most US servies, because trump didn't like his ruling. One could say trump.... censored him) |
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| ▲ | input_sh 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | ICC judge, the fact that he's French didn't have an impact. He's also far from being the only one. In fact, the Executive Order that imposed these sanctions is very broad and gives "immunity" to pretty much everyone affiliated with the US. If the ICC tries to prosecute anyone from NATO or anyone from a "major non-NATO ally" (Australia, Egypt, Israel, Japan, Jordan, Argentina, the Republic of Korea, and New Zealand), the current administration will put sanctions on those judges. So there's 40 or so countries whose governments are effectively "immune" from being prosecuted from the ICC, but the president has authority to add literally any country to that list. | | |
| ▲ | bigiain an hour ago | parent [-] | | I'm looking forward to the reaction from the public when he adds Russia to that list. It will, no doubt, be every bit as effective as the "thoughts and prayers" that follow the weekly school shootings that no other nation on earth have. |
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| ▲ | cinntaile 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It would be quite unfortunate if the next government thinks your opinion is wrongthink. |
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| ▲ | GaryBluto 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't like the idea of "fact checking" as a job or position but denying Visas to people like this is a horrible idea that sets a bad precedent. |
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| ▲ | antonvs 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > our values What values are those exactly? Because the current administration doesn't seem to be representing the values expressed in the American founding documents, or the values held by a majority of Americans, very well at all. In many ways, they're diametrically opposed to those values. |
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| ▲ | trymas 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Values are case-by-case basis depending if trump (GOP?) likes something (most like got paid cash) or not. Case in point - full pardon for former Honduran president on drug trafficking, while at the same time they are trying to use drug trafficking as pretext on war with Venezuela. Same thing with arabs/muslims/immigrants being bad (look at how they were during Mamdami campaign), though literal al-Qaeda members and murderers acting as arabian royalty are "great leaders" and "things (murders) happen". Even on "simpler" issues like family values - they preach against queers, about "traditional family values", kids, etc. But most of them have 3+ divorces, multiple kids that they don't take care of, imported/immigrant trophy wives, numerous scandals of adultery, while destroying policies for children education/health/food, etc. | |
| ▲ | 4ndrewl 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You say that, but over the past decade he's got around 50 percent of the vote. Like it or not, this is what America is. | | |
| ▲ | herbst 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | That distancing is weird and worrisome. They voted for this bullshit, twice. Now they act surprised and distancing themselves from their politics while the whole country falls | | |
| ▲ | 4ndrewl 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | And the previous election he lost by a whisker. America has been lapping this up for a decade now. |
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| ▲ | EGreg 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Our values are whatever Trump says they should be! An interviewer asked Trump in 2016 how people will know that America is great again. He replied: “cause I’m gonna tell em”. :) https://youtu.be/6TuqNMIxMeI?si=oCkU2Rypuf9SOU8H |
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| ▲ | tjpnz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are you familiar with the First Amendment? |
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| ▲ | seattle_spring 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > "Trust and safety is a broad practice which includes critical and life-saving work to protect children and stop CSAM [child sexual abuse material], as well as preventing fraud, scams, and sextortion. T&S workers are focused on making the internet a safer and better place, not censoring just for the sake of it" Definitely weird to be "happy" that the government is cracking down on people who help prevent the propagation of fraud, scams, and CSAM. |
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| ▲ | bbarnett 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "If you uncover evidence an applicant was responsible for, or complicit in, censorship or attempted censorship of protected expression in the United States, you should pursue a finding that the applicant is ineligible" If that sentence from the article is accurate, the parent poster's response makes complete and perfect sense. You don't have to like the current administration, to like a specific thing they are doing. Now is this actually what is happening? I don't know. And of course, that's a different conversation, and not what the parent poster was talking about. | | |
| ▲ | mullingitover 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The problem is that this administration and their ilk have incompetently misinterpreted 'censorship' to mean 'not letting random strangers use your private property to publish things you don't want them to.' The only way "an applicant was responsible for, or complicit in, censorship or attempted censorship in the United States" would be if they were an employee of the US government and they somehow violated US law to enact censorship. To review: censorship is when the government doesn't allow you to say things with your printing press. Censorship is not when private parties don't let you use their printing press. | | |
| ▲ | cobbal 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor#dictionary... > censor (verb): to examine in order to suppress (see suppress sense 2) or delete anything considered objectionable. > also: to suppress or delete as objectionable Government censorship is a very notable class of censorship, but the word has a broader meaning. | | |
| ▲ | mullingitover 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | In the context of the Constitution, government censorship is the only thing that the United States cares about. If we valued banning all censorship we'd make laws banning that. We don't: we value private property and free speech instead. Taking the rights of private parties to control what they publish tramples both of those rights. It's not complicated: you have a right to own your 'press' and do whatever you want with it. You don't have a right to someone else's press. | | |
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| ▲ | mitthrowaway2 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If I was on a telephone call which selectively declined to transmit certain words or topics to the receiving party, I would consider that a form of censorship, even if it wasn't the government doing it. | | |
| ▲ | richrichardsson 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just use a different system that didn't do that, it's your choice. | | |
| ▲ | mitthrowaway2 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | To that extent, government censorship isn't really censorship either then? You can just move to a different country that doesn't censor you. |
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| ▲ | RRWagner 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Displaying Nazi symbols is allowed (protected) in the United States, but prohibited in Germany. Does that mean that any German person involved in enforcing pr even tangentially acting on that restriction would be ineligible for a U.S visa? | | |
| ▲ | herbst 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Obviously that is what the great leader wants for the greatest and most free country on all the earth |
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| ▲ | kylehotchkiss 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is this the foreign service officers or USCIS? iirc foreign service officers have pretty wide latitude on visa approval (whose really making sure they’re checking deeply?) and have 100 other more important factors to evaluate so if that’s the case; will this really amount to many denials? | | |
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| ▲ | inglor_cz 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | "Definitely weird to be "happy" that the government is cracking down on people who help prevent the propagation of fraud, scams, and CSAM." Such self-descriptions are not necessarily accurate and honest. We have had quite a few debates around Chat Control here. It is sold as a tool to prevent propagation of CSAM as well. | |
| ▲ | defen 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Those things are not protected expression in the US. | | |
| ▲ | aprilthird2021 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then why is the state department telling to deny visas to people who worked on Trust & Safety at social media cos? (Answer: they don't care about protected expression or pesky laws, they are lawless and reward other lawless types like themselves) |
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| ▲ | throwaway290 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Definitely weird to be "happy" that the government is cracking down on people who help prevent the propagation of CSAM. I mean... This is HN... You should see people's reaction when Apple decided to do something about it... | | |
| ▲ | throwaway173738 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Apple wanted to scan pictures stored on our phones using a perceptual diff algorithm and compare them by similarity to known CSAM. So basically there’s a world out there where the baby bath pics your wife took will get flagged and she’ll have to prove she’s not a predator. | |
| ▲ | pjc50 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | What the "something" is actually matters. |
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| ▲ | SilverElfin 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| When people say “our values” or “Western values”, it’s just a made up term that means European Christian values. When it should mean classically liberal values. |
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| ▲ | adi_kurian 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Always took it to be synonymous with "enlightenment values", created in Europe and by Christians. (Who I believe were at least somewhat secular). I am unsure if we are, at present, a bastion of said values. | |
| ▲ | bytesandbits 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Spot on. | |
| ▲ | watwut 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Christianity does not necessary implies fascism. And "our values" or "western values" here in this context do. Pope is not like Vance, despite Vance pointificating about by values and pope beong christan. |
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