| ▲ | seattle_spring 6 hours ago |
| > "Trust and safety is a broad practice which includes critical and life-saving work to protect children and stop CSAM [child sexual abuse material], as well as preventing fraud, scams, and sextortion. T&S workers are focused on making the internet a safer and better place, not censoring just for the sake of it" Definitely weird to be "happy" that the government is cracking down on people who help prevent the propagation of fraud, scams, and CSAM. |
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| ▲ | bbarnett 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| "If you uncover evidence an applicant was responsible for, or complicit in, censorship or attempted censorship of protected expression in the United States, you should pursue a finding that the applicant is ineligible" If that sentence from the article is accurate, the parent poster's response makes complete and perfect sense. You don't have to like the current administration, to like a specific thing they are doing. Now is this actually what is happening? I don't know. And of course, that's a different conversation, and not what the parent poster was talking about. |
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| ▲ | mullingitover 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The problem is that this administration and their ilk have incompetently misinterpreted 'censorship' to mean 'not letting random strangers use your private property to publish things you don't want them to.' The only way "an applicant was responsible for, or complicit in, censorship or attempted censorship in the United States" would be if they were an employee of the US government and they somehow violated US law to enact censorship. To review: censorship is when the government doesn't allow you to say things with your printing press. Censorship is not when private parties don't let you use their printing press. | | |
| ▲ | account42 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | When that "private property" is a larger business than many countries and can literally sway elections then yes we should not treat it the same as your personal blog. | |
| ▲ | cobbal 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | From https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censor#dictionary... > censor (verb): to examine in order to suppress (see suppress sense 2) or delete anything considered objectionable. > also: to suppress or delete as objectionable Government censorship is a very notable class of censorship, but the word has a broader meaning. | | |
| ▲ | mullingitover 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | In the context of the Constitution, government censorship is the only thing that the United States cares about. If we valued banning all censorship we'd make laws banning that. We don't: we value private property and free speech instead. Taking the rights of private parties to control what they publish tramples both of those rights. It's not complicated: you have a right to own your 'press' and do whatever you want with it. You don't have a right to someone else's press. | | |
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| ▲ | mitthrowaway2 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If I was on a telephone call which selectively declined to transmit certain words or topics to the receiving party, I would consider that a form of censorship, even if it wasn't the government doing it. | | |
| ▲ | richrichardsson 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Just use a different system that didn't do that, it's your choice. | | |
| ▲ | mitthrowaway2 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | To that extent, government censorship isn't really censorship either then? You can just move to a different country that doesn't censor you. |
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| ▲ | kylehotchkiss 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is this the foreign service officers or USCIS? iirc foreign service officers have pretty wide latitude on visa approval (whose really making sure they’re checking deeply?) and have 100 other more important factors to evaluate so if that’s the case; will this really amount to many denials? | | | |
| ▲ | RRWagner 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Displaying Nazi symbols is allowed (protected) in the United States, but prohibited in Germany. Does that mean that any German person involved in enforcing pr even tangentially acting on that restriction would be ineligible for a U.S visa? | | |
| ▲ | account42 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Hopefully, yes. The free speech situation in Germany is ... not good. Completely useless and reactionary laws restricting speech of specific symbols are only a small part of it of course but any global pushback would be good. | |
| ▲ | herbst 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Obviously that is what the great leader wants for the greatest and most free country on all the earth |
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| ▲ | inglor_cz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Definitely weird to be "happy" that the government is cracking down on people who help prevent the propagation of fraud, scams, and CSAM." Such self-descriptions are not necessarily accurate and honest. We have had quite a few debates around Chat Control here. It is sold as a tool to prevent propagation of CSAM as well. |
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| ▲ | defen 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Those things are not protected expression in the US. |
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| ▲ | aprilthird2021 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Then why is the state department telling to deny visas to people who worked on Trust & Safety at social media cos? (Answer: they don't care about protected expression or pesky laws, they are lawless and reward other lawless types like themselves) |
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| ▲ | throwaway290 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Definitely weird to be "happy" that the government is cracking down on people who help prevent the propagation of CSAM. I mean... This is HN... You should see people's reaction when Apple decided to do something about it... |
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| ▲ | throwaway173738 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Apple wanted to scan pictures stored on our phones using a perceptual diff algorithm and compare them by similarity to known CSAM. So basically there’s a world out there where the baby bath pics your wife took will get flagged and she’ll have to prove she’s not a predator. | |
| ▲ | pjc50 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What the "something" is actually matters. |
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