    the hurdle to full autonomous driving was basically jumped by Tesla this year.

Tesla doesn't have driverless operations anywhere, and their Austin fleet consists of <30 vehicles with full time safety drivers that have a far worse safety record than Waymo vehicles.

It's not nothing, but it's a long way from being a complete system (let alone the obviously superior one).

▲ vardump an hour ago | parent [-]

IIRC, Tesla's safety record is about 30% worse than Waymo. The gap has been closing rapidly. It's not that long time ago Tesla made an order of magnitude more mistakes than Waymo.

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AlotOfReading an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That's with safety drivers, a small fleet, and literally only the most recent data (since it wasn't broken out before). My experience with AV deployments is that your incident rate is significantly different once you remove humans, and small fleet sizes/deployment areas hide a lot of long tail issues.

Waymo is operating at a much larger scale across a huge range of conditions with hardware that's generations behind their latest and still performing better.

	▲	vardump an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Ok, I guess we'll need to wait until Tesla removes the safety drivers to see the whole truth.

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tziki 17 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

If that was true they would've already released a full, no safety driver service. They have not.