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BrenBarn 3 hours ago

In contrast to others, I just want to say that I applaud the decision to take a moral stance against AI, and I wish more people would do that. Saying "well you have to follow the market" is such a cravenly amoral perspective.

averageRoyalty 18 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not sure I understand this view. Did seamstresses see sewing machines as amoral? Or carpenters with electric and air drills and saws?

AI is another set of tooling. It can be used well or not, but arguing the morality of a tooling type (e.g drills) vs maybe a specific company (e.g Ryobi) seems an odd take to me.

_ttg 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

nobody is against his moral stance. the problem is that he’s playing the “principled stand” game on a budget that cannot sustain it, then externalizing the cost like a victim. if you're a millionaire and can hold whatever moral line you want without ever worrying about rent, food, healthcare, kids, etc. then "selling out" is optional and bad. if you're joe schmoe with a mortgage and 5 months of emergency savings, and you refuse the main kind of work people want to pay you for (which is not even that controversial), you’re not some noble hero, you’re just blowing up your life.

BrenBarn 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> he’s playing the “principled stand” game on a budget that cannot sustain it, then externalizing the cost like a victim

No. It is the AI companies that are externalizing their costs onto everyone else by stealing the work of others, flooding the zone with garbage, and then weeping about how they'll never survive if there's any regulation or enforcement of copyright law.

jstummbillig 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, of course you don't have to – but don't torture yourself. If the market is all AI, and you are a service provider that does not want to work with AI at all then get out of the business.

If you found it unacceptable to work with companies that used any kind of digital database (because you found centralization of information and the amount of processing and analytics this enables unbecoming) then you should probably look for another venture instead of finding companies that commit to pen and paper.

bayindirh 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> If the market is all AI, and you are a service provider that does not want to work with AI at all then get out of the business.

Maybe they will, and I bet they'll be content doing that. I personally don't work with AI and try my best to not to train it. I left GitHub & Reddit because of this, and not uploading new photos to Instagram. The jury is still out on how I'm gonna share my photography, and not sharing it is on the table, as well.

I may even move to a cathedral model or just stop sharing the software I write with the general world, too.

Nobody has to bend and act against their values and conscience just because others are doing it, and the system is demanding to betray ourselves for its own benefit.

Life is more nuanced than that.

jstummbillig 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Good on you. Maybe some future innovation will afford everyone the same opportunity.

fragmede 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How large an audience do you want to share it to? Self host photo album software, on hardware you own, behind a password, to people you trust.

bayindirh 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Before that AI craze, I liked the idea of having a CC BY-NC-ND[0] public gallery to show what I took. I was not after any likes or anything. If I got professional feedback, that'd be a bonus. I even allowed EXIF-intact high resolution versions to be downloaded.

Now, I'll probably install a gallery webapp to my webserver and put it behind authentication. I'm not rushing because I don't crave any interaction from my photography. The images will most probably be optimized and resized to save some storage space, as well.

[0]: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/