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AIorNot 4 hours ago

Well as a single datum:

After I got laid off in late 2023 I had a devil of a time finding work (despite having AI experience) to the point my unemployment ran out -

And I was 20 years as a dev and tech lead and full stack, (never had trouble finding work) including stints as a leading EM and CTO, I’ve been an industry award winning innovation lead,a digital studio director, switching tech stacks and cloud certs all my career..mentoring juniors and doing podcasts and writing white papers etc, but peanuts - nothing

Getting ghosted by 25 year olds in interviews and doing rounds and rounds and leetcode and all that but no success- for example I had a 7 round interview with NBCUniversal in 2023 and then got ghosted (I probably doged a bullet since they had subsequent layoffs)

a 12 month stint with nothing - we lost our savings as my wife got laid off too

Since then I pivoted to AI and Gen AI startups- joining incubators and finally got some work or at least cofounded some AI startups- now money is tight and I dont have health insurance but at least I have a job… it sucks as a over 45 year old as I have so much experience but no one cares.. still dont have much grey hair so I can pass for 40 to get noticed

No one stable is hiring or your resume just goes to a dead letter queue or is lost in ether or lost amid all the ai generated resumes out there - young ML and PHds and people under 40 seem to be getting work in Gen AI but thats about it

networking is the only game left and most good recruiters I know got laid off too

At least I’ve built up production experience in agents and context engineering RL, pytorch, langchain/LangGraph, RAG, KGa, etc python, BAML, LLM and LLMops to add to my years of full stack work

donatj 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The number of just straight out NO's I've gotten has been surprising and disheartening. I've been a developer for 20 years and genuinely don't think I've gotten an outright "no" before this year. Usually just no response. I've gotten maybe eight or nine actual rejections this year. It's honestly worse, emotionally.

Ideally I want a job outside my wheelhouse to learn and move forward, but it seems like no one these days is interested in any sort of training.

There have been two gigs I was really excited about that seemed more-or-less exactly what I have spent the past decade doing and they've BOTH actually replied that they didn't think my skills were a good fit. I genuinely have zero idea what you're looking for if the literal perfect fit isn't it.

Before COVID I would regularly apply for jobs, almost always get them, and decline largely to keep my interview skills fresh.

This last year of looking has been the total opposite. I've applied for umpteen places, and gotten a little bit of email back and forth, and a single interview (it's in a couple days, wish me luck).

seanw444 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I genuinely have zero idea what you're looking for if the literal perfect fit isn't it.

The simple answer is that they probably had no intention of hiring you, or anybody, in the first place.

The amount of fake job listings is absurd.

8f2ab37a-ed6c 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Why do they bother wasting time on interviewing the person though? Or does it never get that far?

chickensong 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Companies can have legal requirements to post the job, but have no intention of hiring a random outsider.

balamatom 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It costs nothing to simulate activity, the costs are incurred on the candidate.

sydbarrett74 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Pipelining, mostly.

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modo_mario 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>I genuinely have zero idea what you're looking for if the literal perfect fit isn't it.

Maybe someone on a visa that can't leave and will take peanuts.

kome 33 minutes ago | parent [-]

how the tech world is becoming trumpian-like is a funny thing to witness - try to unionize next time

mschuster91 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

> Ideally I want a job outside my wheelhouse to learn and move forward, but it seems like no one these days is interested in any sort of training.

No one has the resources left to pay for it, that's the thing. Clients are cutting budgets because no one is buying their stuff, so everyone is looking for seniors and above only, and replacing juniors/intermediates with AI.

Trickle-down ideology is now beginning to eat itself, the ouroboros is complete - turns out, eventually the entire economy will crash down on itself when people can't afford things. Even Henry Ford already knew this...

ponector an hour ago | parent [-]

>> No one has the resources left to pay for it

Record profits reported by tech companies says the opposite. Money are there, but no will to spend them on people.

We had multiple layoffs recently so parent company could report a billion USD in quarterly profits.

zipy124 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Being overqualified is indeed a real phenomenom. Employers can think your too expensive, or that your desperatem and that you might not stick around long. All valid concerns.

spaceman_2020 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My brother who is nearly 50 and has worked in tech since the dot com boom, got laid off in January and couldn't find a job until last week. This job, too, was just a contractual position at his old Fortune 50 firm.

He has an engineering degree from one of the top 5 engineering colleges in India, a Master's from one of the top 5 engineering schools in the US. He built some of the systems that form the foundation of the entire call center industry.

And now he pivoted to GenAI and has dozens of very impressive public projects including some heavily starred open source repos

And yet...nothing.

Ageism in the tech industry has never been worse

GardenLetter27 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah, once you hit 50 the wall is real.

You need to maximise your earnings during your 30s and 40s to be able to just do contracting, etc. then.

maxnevermind 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Were you flexible with re-location or you were looking just at you current region or it is that bad no matter your flexibility?

8f2ab37a-ed6c 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you have a thesis for why that might be happening? Ageism? Overqualification? The next generation of hiring managers not knowing what to do with you? Past experience being deemed irrelevant to modern SWE problems? Is it all just a bad market? Your profile strikes me as the last one that would struggle with landing a gig.

actionfromafar 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Uncertain outlooks in general + why hire people if AI soon will solve everything everywhere all at once?

r33b33 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you ready for great age of suffering? Because there will be no saving, no UBI, no plan B. This is it. This is the end of careers and beginning of centuries of misery. AI will replace everyone except around 3%. If you aren't one of those 3%, start accepting the reality of infinite pain.

ekjhgkejhgk 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> 7 round interview with NBCUniversal in 2023

Name and shame, this should be the norm. People are too shy on this subject. Thank you.