> France isn't a safe country for open source privacy projects. They expect backdoors in encryption and for device access too. Secure devices and services are not going to be allowed.

If this is true, it's a bit concerning for Ledger users. One state-mandated firmware update away from losing all your crypto?

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yorwba an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Fortunately it's not true. GrapheneOS seem https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/1993061892324311480#m to be reacting to news coverage https://archive.ph/UrlvK saying that although legitimate uses exist, if GrapheneOS have connections to a criminal organization and refuse to cooperate with law enforcement, they could be prosecuted nonetheless:

« il existe pour une certaine partie des utilisateurs une réelle légitimité dans la volonté de protéger ses échanges. L’approche est donc différente. Mais ça ne nous empêchera pas de poursuivre les éditeurs, si des liens sont découverts avec une organisation criminelle et qu’ils ne coopèrent pas avec la justice. »

Charitably, GrapheneOS are not in fact a front for organized crime, but merely paranoid, assuming that the news coverage is laying the groundwork for prosecution on trumped-up charges. Notably, there doesn't appear to have been direct communication from law enforcement yet.

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jack_tripper an hour ago | parent [-]

>Charitably, GrapheneOS are not in fact a front for organized crime, but merely paranoid

The difference between someone being paranoid and someone being right, is time.

	▲	soufron 36 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		If that paranoia is related to their participation in organized crime... well, governments should be the least of their problems in a few years.

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beeflet an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

How would the government mandate a backdoor of such a hardware/software system without attracting eyeballs?

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jack_tripper 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Easy. They'll just demand major tech companies implement in Europe exactly what they did to comply with China's government surveillance request. They already have the blueprint of the apparatus, they just need to throw a blue coat of paint and a circle of gold stars over it to legitimize it and make it less scary looking.

And they don't give a damn about attracting eyeballs since the surveillance will be mandated by law and done legally by the book, and it will be done "for your own safety and protection against the boogieman", so that people will accept it.

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grougnax an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

The government just doesn't care.

	▲	beeflet an hour ago \| parent [-]
		If there is a backdoor in an open-source system, and people know about it, then they will organize independently to patch it out. So it will be ineffective to the extent that the technology allows reprogrammability. The only way you can beat it, as a governement trying to insert a backdoor, is through use of tivoization or some other technology that clinches control during manufacturing or other centralization weak points around economies of scale that the re-programmers don't have.