| ▲ | wartywhoa23 2 hours ago |
| When all the remaining freedom fighters will flee out of all the oppressive states into the last remaining citadel of human rights, which may well turn out to be some drifting icefield in Arctic, and the oppression finally catches them up there, is there any plan B for the humankind? |
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| ▲ | alkindiffie an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Why are we giving up. Shouldn't we stand up against Oppressive governments and Corporations. |
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| ▲ | wartywhoa23 33 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | That's the point I implied! We absolutely should, and must. But the only viable way to do so seems to be by following Ghandi's principles of personal non-violent sabotage against the oppressor, which requires unity and cooperation between people, and that, alas, is very questionable these days. Half of us won't even admit they're oppressed! When a single shoemaker makes two left shoes instead of a normal pair the opressor orders, he's out to look for a new job. When every shoemaker out there makes only left shoes, the oppressor has to go f2k himself and learn some craft or manners. Old ways that seemed to be working, like democratic elections? I don't think so. Not anymore. | | |
| ▲ | alkindiffie 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't think one thing will solve it, but everyone who knows better can contribute in their own. For example by teaching people about privacy, encryption and free software. Writing books, doing podcasts aimed at the general public to promote privacy tech. Talking to your local government and municipalities, become the local expert and proposing policies. |
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| ▲ | jack_tripper an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Shouldn't we stand up against Oppressive governments and Corporations. How? Governments have the monopoly on violence through their control of the police and military, and corporations bribe the governments in power to do their bidding and also control the media apparatus via which the voting population makes their democratic decisions, so you get this corrupt symbiotic relationship between the first and second estate (the government and wealthy elite private sector) to keep the third estate (common population) oppressed. So how do you actually coordinate hundreds of millions of people towards a single goal to "fight" against and apparatus of oppression with an order of magnitude more kinetic strike, intelligence gathering and propaganda capabilities than the common folk? People keep fantasizing about the French revolution and guillotines, but King Louis XVI didn't have Air Force One, doomsday bunkers in New Zeeland, AC-130s, Predator, Reaper and Anduril drones to protect him. The force disparity between the ruling elite and peasantry is now like that meme of hydrogen bomb versus coughing baby. |
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| ▲ | crossroadsguy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That'd be the textbook definition of hitting rock bottom, the last of the bottoms, and hitting rock bottom is a plan B in itself. |
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| ▲ | otikik 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The One place that has not been corrupted by Capitalism… Space! |
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| ▲ | fnands 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can hear Tim Curry's delivery of that in my head. So good. | | | |
| ▲ | simonh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Looks like Musk and Bezos are going to beat you to it. | |
| ▲ | littlecranky67 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Capitalism didn't corrupt privacy. Literally every major messaging and smartphone maker integrated e2e encryption because the user wants it. It is government regulations, that wants to kill privacy. Which is not free markets or capitalism, this is more socialism. | | |
| ▲ | microtonal an hour ago | parent [-] | | Capitalism didn't corrupt privacy. Meta, Microsoft, and Google's extensive user tracking beg to differ. | | |
| ▲ | anonymousiam an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's not either or. Meta, Microsoft, Google, & Apple have a profit motive for scooping up everything they can. Every government in the world wants to do the same scooping, but their motive is "security." These are not separate activities either. Governments are mandating the collection by corporations, so they can use that channel for their own purposes. | | |
| ▲ | stalfie 9 minutes ago | parent [-] | | You know, security is a nebulous concept until it suddenly isn't. I live in a country neighboring Russia. Russian infiltration, sabotage, and perhaps large scale political assassination by means of autonomous drones (like the ukrainian operation "spiderweb"), is a very real and frankly not entirely unrealistic worry of mine. This is in addition to the unfortunate reality of hybrid warfare, where an uneducated populace that gets their news from TikTok is a very real security risk, which has almost already crashed immature European democracies. And arguably it has already succeeded in crashing the US. In practice, encrypted messaging, and more broadly the unregulated, anonymous nature of the internet is THE technology that enables this. Ukrainian refugees are essentially indistinguishable in practice from Russian operatives and pose a very real security risk. The loss of the US as a reliable ally, which in practice is the new reality, is felt here in a very real way. I think this point is largely missed by hacker news. I am legitimately afraid that Russia might assassinate elected leaders and invade, and embroil my own country in a war that might lead to my death. And to be honest my worries are a bit overblown in my particular case, it is very unrealistic that this will happen to my particular country, but if I were to live in Poland they wouldn't be. I raise this point in response to your quotation marks around "security". European countries have very real, and very pressing security concerns. |
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| ▲ | NSUserDefaults 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Satellites? |
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| ▲ | anonymousiam an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Satellite operators are still required to comply with the Federal Wiretap Act (and equivalent in every other country of the world). The result is a less-than-optimal network that requires routing communications through a ground station (where it can be intercepted) even when it's technically feasible (and optimal) to use point-to-point communications. The resulting technical solutions (at least) double the bandwidth and processing required by the network, and bandwidth/processing are critical resources for communications satellites. These requirements can make or break the economic feasibility of a proposed system. | |
| ▲ | bbarnett 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Can be jammed and/or destroyed. | |
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