| ▲ | Vsora Jotunn-8 5nm European inference chip(vsora.com) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 106 points by rdg42 10 hours ago | 26 comments | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | ano-ther 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I don’t get the negativity. The specs look impressive. It is always good to have competition. They announced tapeout in October with planned dev boards next year. Vaporware is when things don’t appear, not when they are on their way (it takes some time for hardware). It’s also strategically important for Europe to have its own supply. The current and last US administration have both threatened to limit supply of AI chips to European countries, and China would do the same (as they have shown with Nexperia). And of course you need the software stack with it. They will have thought of that. https://vsora.com/vsora-announces-tape-out-of-game-changing-... | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | leo_e 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Impressive numbers on paper, but looking at their site, this feels dangerously close to vaporware. The bottleneck for inference right now isn't just raw FLOPS or even memory bandwidth—it's the compiler stack. The graveyard of AI hardware startups is filled with chips that beat NVIDIA on specs but couldn't run a standard PyTorch graph without segfaulting or requiring six months of manual kernel tuning. Until I see a dev board and a working graph compiler that accepts ONNX out of the box, this is just a very expensive CGI render. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | postexitus an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Even if it's not vapourware, the website makes it look like one. Just look at those two graphs titled "Jotunn 8 Outperforms the Market" and "More Speed For the Bucks" (!) ; WTH? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | cardameu an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I can ensure you it's not vaporware at all. silicon is running in the fab, application boards have finished the design phase, software stack validated... | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | pclmulqdq 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It needs a "buy a card" link and a lot more architectural details. Tenstorrent is selling chips that are pretty weak, but will beat these guys if they don't get serious about sharing. Edit: It kind of looks like there's no silicon anywhere near production yet. Probably vaporware. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | bangaladore 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I love that the JS loads so slow on first load that it just says "The magic number: 0 /tflops" | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | disdi an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Esperanto tried to do the same but went out of business. https://www.esperanto.ai/products/ | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | ndom91 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I'll believe it when I see it wishing them the best! > To streamline development and shorten time-to-market, VSORA embraces industry standards: our toolchain is built on LLVM and supports common frameworks like ONNX and PyTorch, minimizing integration effort and customer cost. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | Ethan312 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Always good to see more competition in the inference chip space, especially from Europe. The specs look solid, but the real test will be how mature the software stack is and whether teams can get models running without a lot of friction. If they can make that part smooth, it could become a practical option for workloads that want local control. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | all2 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
288GB RAM on board, and RISC V processors to enable the option for offloading inference from the host machine entirely. It sounds nice, but how much is it? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | N_Lens 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
An FP8 performance of 3200TFLOPS is impressive, could be used for training as well as inference. "Close to theory efficiency" is a bold statement. Most accelerators achieve 60-80% of theoretical peak; if they're genuinely hitting 90%+, that's impressive. Now let's see the price. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | thevania an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
reminds me of the famous tachyum prodigy vapourware https://www.tachyum.com/ | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||