It's helpful when people are being assholes to point to a document describing how they're being an asshole and to cut it out

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lmm 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In my experience it's the opposite of helpful, because it's actually a lot easier to reach consensus on whether someone's being an asshole than on whether they have violated the code in the document.

	▲	p-e-w 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It’s a very helpful tool for establishing opaque power structures, because it allows those with real power to pretend that they are simply following some legalese document instead of doing as they please. The fact that this behavior, which would violate most CoCs ever written, came from the top tells you everything you need to know.

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jakobnissen 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is it really? In this example, could you not see anything wrong with calling employees losers and monkeys, until someone linked you the CoC?

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hshdhdhj4444 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Code of Conduct cannot stop someone from doing something.

It’s just a document.

However, in this case, the presence of the code of conduct has made it trivially easy to point out the language as wrong in a way whoever wrote this for Zig cannot refute.

It’s working exactly as it should.

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kelnos 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How is it working? The post is still there, referring to people as "losers" and "monkeys". Was the author of the post chastised? Have they edited the post and apologized?

	▲	KingMob 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Heh. You've rediscovered Critical Race Theory, which was a graduate-level theory about how rules/laws are systematically applied to minorities/the powerless, and not applied to the powerful/project leaders. Holding the powerful to the law is unfortunately, a separate issue to whether it's worth it to have written rules/laws in the first place. A CoC could still be better than no CoC, even if it fails to rein in abuse from the top.

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reactordev 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Which suffice to say is not at all

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IshKebab 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They don't have to refute it; they have the power to ignore it.

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szundi 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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serial_dev 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

To add to it, the post is still calling people losers and monkeys, so the CoC is clearly not working properly.

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amake 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Might as well get rid of laws against murder because sometimes people commit murder anyway?

	▲	ifh-hn 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Not the same thing at all. There's consequences for murder, absolutely none for not abiding by this CoC; as clearly seen by the fact the posted remains as is.
	▲	graemep 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		A better analogy would be getting rid of laws against murder if its unevenly applied so people from a particular group always got away with it.

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prmoustache 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes the same way laws don't eradicate delinquency and crime magically. Humans are humans.